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Old 05-19-2010, 05:56 AM   #1
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I've been putting some thought recently to my next project. I don't plan on keeping the Subaru forever (I've had the car for 8 years now). I'm trying to decide what the next race car will be. I have some competing criteria so obviously I'll have to compromise on some of them but here's what I'm looking for. I'm moving to the west coast in a year (Monterey) so that might play into the decision. Not sure what's popular on the other side of the country. Be nice to have something that could play in both NASA and SCCA races.

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- Reliable (more than a Subaru anyways)
- Still quick
- Relatively priced consumables
- Good sized fields for racing.

Considering.
- AI car
- Spec3 (cheap consumables, not sure if I could deal with the lack of HP)
- ST2 corvette (expensive tires, but cheaper everything else)

I'd be selling the Subaru. Probably have to part it out unless I find a buyer that wants the entire package.

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Old 05-19-2010, 08:18 AM   #2
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Supposedly the boxster spec racers are getting pretty popular out on the west coast. Fun to drive and relatively cheap.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:21 AM   #3
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I don't think you have many real choices. I can't see you in a Miata or Mazda 3. I'm going to guess that the 'vette and maybe one of the new track spec mustangs might be it.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:24 AM   #4
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I would go with Vette.

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Old 05-19-2010, 10:45 AM   #5
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stang in AI
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:49 AM   #6
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+1 C5 Vette
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:51 AM   #7
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I'll echo what seems to be the popular opinion and say either a vette or a stang.
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:54 AM   #8
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is300 but i dont think the consumables are really cheap though..
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Old 05-19-2010, 11:40 AM   #9
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I'd go with an AI car. I don't know what the ST-2 field is like in NorCal, but I do know you'll have plenty of competition in AI.

There's also SpecM3, which would give you more hp than Spec3.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:01 PM   #10
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Vette all the way, not even a after thought on that one.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:06 PM   #11
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Well, the afterthought in my mind is that the motors don't seem all that durable. Watched a Z06 with 1200 miles on it blow up in front of the pit marshal's stand out at Summit Point. Apparently the motors are known to have issue with track use. I don't know how real the issues are though.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:16 PM   #12
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Well, the afterthought in my mind is that the motors don't seem all that durable. Watched a Z06 with 1200 miles on it blow up in front of the pit marshal's stand out at Summit Point. Apparently the motors are known to have issue with track use. I don't know how real the issues are though.
very real..

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Old 05-19-2010, 12:17 PM   #13
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Well, the afterthought in my mind is that the motors don't seem all that durable. Watched a Z06 with 1200 miles on it blow up in front of the pit marshal's stand out at Summit Point. Apparently the motors are known to have issue with track use. I don't know how real the issues are though.
I've seen issues with the C6 vettes, but I'd definately be looking at a C5 and running it fairly detuned (360whp max). Cheaper brakes, but tires are about the same. Everything else is probably cheaper than the Subaru. I could probably find one for about what I could sell the Subaru gear for.

I'd prefer to buy a ready to go car vs spending the time building my own.

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Old 05-19-2010, 12:18 PM   #14
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Wants.
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uncheck the vette then.

how much money do you have to play with?
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:22 PM   #15
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I think there was a similar post/poll and the z06 came on top.

i would vote for an S2000
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:24 PM   #16
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uncheck the vette then.

how much money do you have to play with?
I see far more reliability issues with Subaru's than I do C5 Corvettes. They seem relatively stout. I have the amount of money I get from Selling the Subaru and all related gear. In other words, no idea whatsoever.

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Old 05-19-2010, 12:26 PM   #17
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i would vote for an S2000
I was thinking that or Elise but I don't know how popular they are on the west coast nor know how well Duncan would fit into one.

C5 sounds like a good call for what you are wanting.
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:55 PM   #18
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The SF region has a huge ITE crowd, so you could build/buy something for that. Maybe a boosted 2000, boosted elise, NSX, or something like that.

or c5 in st2 but SCCA seems to be a bit bigger out here
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:04 PM   #19
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Try the S2000 before you buy it. I didn't like mine on track. I'm FAR happier with my '97 M3.

You start boosting one of these cars are you're right back to "subaru like" reliability. I built a swapped civic 4 years ago and other than tires and pads, it's been bulletproof. I constantly see broken, boosted cars at the track. This one guy with a boosted miata didn't get a single full session in on Sunday.

I'm going to vote for E36 M3. Got mine for $6200. Even with 125 lbs of cage, it still weights less than 3000 lbs and I haven't even totally stripped it (still has AC, dash and heavy stock exhaust). I'm pretty sure you can get it under 2800 lbs. Basically S2000 weight with an NA 3.2 liter engine.
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:12 PM   #20
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How bad is the E36 on consumables?...I ask as a buddy of mine is debating on picking up and M3 to start tracking with.
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The LS2/LS3 seem to have more oiling issues than the LS6 bat wing oil pans.

Given the massive amount of track miles accumulated across the country in C5's it's pretty clear that overall the cars don't disappoint much.

Column lock, clutch slave cylinder, and overheating all the fluids are the short list.
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:19 PM   #22
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Try the S2000 before you buy it. I didn't like mine on track. I'm FAR happier with my '97 M3.

You start boosting one of these cars are you're right back to "subaru like" reliability. I built a swapped civic 4 years ago and other than tires and pads, it's been bulletproof. I constantly see broken, boosted cars at the track. This one guy with a boosted miata didn't get a single full session in on Sunday.

I'm going to vote for E36 M3. Got mine for $6200. Even with 125 lbs of cage, it still weights less than 3000 lbs and I haven't even totally stripped it (still has AC, dash and heavy stock exhaust). I'm pretty sure you can get it under 2800 lbs. Basically S2000 weight with an NA 3.2 liter engine.
I like the BMW idea. I'd need to start reading the GTS rulebook and see where the car falls out.
Somewhat considering an air cooled 911 as well.

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Old 05-19-2010, 01:32 PM   #23
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How bad is the E36 on consumables?
It gets 10mpg on track which is 3 times what I was getting with my suby. In two track days on brake heavy tracks, I've used up about 1/3 of my front pads. Rotors aren't as cheap as Civic rotors but, less than STI rotors. I'm on stock brakes with good pads and they work at least as well as the Brembo's with better pedal feel. Has brake ducts from the factory. I've not had any fading or brake overheating problems.

All in all, I think it's costing me from 1/3 to 1/2 what the suby cost me to track comsumables wise. If I can knock another 100lbs off it, It should go down even more.

The one thing with the BMW is it's NOT japanese. So, you'd better like working on cars. They wear out quicker than Japanese cars but, they're also easy to work on and parts are reasonable (for the most part).

With minimal work (fender roll and front spacers), I'm running 17x9 wheels and 245x17 tires. It'll fit 255's now with no changes. I wasn't sure, which is why I bought the 245's.

It's no 'vette for sure but, I'm expecting it to be reliable.
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:41 PM   #24
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corvette. We've looked at the spec boxster stuff, and right now it seems to be two camps fighting it out for series, and I think the dust should settle on that first.

C5 stuff is getting so cheap that it's worth it. Yeah, I know a bunch of folks in the C5 world are mad that parts development has ceased for those due to the C6 coming out, but as the C5 gets more popular on track that will pick back up.
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