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Old 04-20-2010, 12:28 AM   #1
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Default 2010 Subaru Road Race Team

So the Subaru Road Race Team has been racing in this series for a few years now. At first they were racing the Legacy Spec B in the Street Tuner class and they did pretty good. For 2010 they have stepped up to race with the big boys in the Grand Sport class. Subaru is now racing with some very fast Mustangs, M3's, 911's and others. Thing is, the STI does not seem to have the pace they need to compete on a top level. It looks like they need more power to run with the big V8's and H6's out there.

This is a recap of the Barber Motorsports Park race that was just aired over the weekend on speed.


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I don't know what they are allowed to do power wise with the rules, but it seems to me that they need a large turbo (Dom 3 or something like that) and all the supporting mods to compete. The series is fun to watch and there is always a ton of action. It would be nice to see Subaru competing for a podium on a regular basis.
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:42 AM   #2
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Let's keep this thread alive, SRRT STI looks to be moving up on the finishing order. Still underpowered but waiting for rule changes, or better luck the rest of this season. Rooting for the team!!
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:49 AM   #3
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I read a pretty got write up about the team in Grassroots, they are under powered for sure, they do get some perks, but its not enough. Without a turbo upgrade they just have no chance really, unless the series runs in the winter and every race is a rain race.
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:55 AM   #4
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I saw this race.. great race.. billy johnson is a serious driver(for the ford)
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:35 AM   #5
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I watched the race this weekend. My father and I couldn't believe that nothing broke and no positions were lost after that spin.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:15 AM   #6
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I watched the race this weekend. My father and I couldn't believe that nothing broke and no positions were lost after that spin.
yea, that was just an insane moment.... Andrew Agulantie (sp?) is a good driver, but Phoenix has just WAYYYYY too much money, and they never seem to have the engineering needed to be up top.
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:14 PM   #7
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I read a pretty got write up about the team in Grassroots, they are under powered for sure, they do get some perks, but its not enough. Without a turbo upgrade they just have no chance really, unless the series runs in the winter and every race is a rain race.
Yup they are 8 MPH slower on the straight aways...

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Old 04-20-2010, 12:25 PM   #8
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Yup they are 3 seconds slower on the straight aways...
Then how are they not ending up 5 laps down every race?
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:52 PM   #9
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That's what they said in the interview
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Wow, that Sti shoulda flipped
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Old 04-20-2010, 02:16 PM   #11
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Wow, that Sti shoulda flipped
Off road, the only car in the pack that could "pickup" a position going off track
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Old 04-20-2010, 05:52 PM   #12
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yea, that was just an insane moment.... Andrew Agulantie (sp?) is a good driver, but Phoenix has just WAYYYYY too much money, and they never seem to have the engineering needed to be up top.
An AWD turbo should never win in a series like CTSCC in a dry race if it is well classed. Nothing against Phoenix but with the ridiculous wet advantage they have there should be a dry disadvantage and it should be most noticeable down the straights.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:13 AM   #13
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An AWD turbo should never win in a series like CTSCC in a dry race if it is well classed. Nothing against Phoenix but with the ridiculous wet advantage they have there should be a dry disadvantage and it should be most noticeable down the straights.
While this is sort of true, Phoenix never did a good job setting up the Legacy's in ST. The GOTO guys had a superior package and could have kicked the Phoenix's guy's asses any time they wanted to if they had the funding.

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While this is sort of true, Phoenix never did a good job setting up the Legacy's in ST. The GOTO guys had a superior package and could have kicked the Phoenix's guy's asses any time they wanted to if they had the funding.

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That Legacy had some good results in ST and put the driver in teh top 5 overall last season IIRC.

I do wish the GOTO guys had been out there as well though to see how they compared.
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"wild ride" and another "wild ride"... ohh, a "wild ride"
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An AWD turbo should never win in a series like CTSCC in a dry race if it is well classed. Nothing against Phoenix but with the ridiculous wet advantage they have there should be a dry disadvantage and it should be most noticeable down the straights.
While I think you are right, there are not that many tracks they run on with HUGE straights that will make a lot of difference. VIR, yes, thats a HUGE straight, but Bamma, not so much.

then again the rules change all the time.
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Wow, that Sti shoulda flipped
Gotta remember.. the stock COG on a GR STI is only about 10mm higher than a Miata's.
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Cant really do much with the 17.5 psi that they are limited too...
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Cant really do much with the 17.5 psi that they are limited too...
really? thats good for what? ~350hp with other supporting mods they have? VS the 400 the mustangs have, that are heavier and only RWD?

I'm sorry sounds pretty fair to me. as they should be slower on the straights to make up for their mid corner and exit speed advantages.
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really? thats good for what? ~350hp with other supporting mods they have? VS the 400 the mustangs have, that are heavier and only RWD?

I'm sorry sounds pretty fair to me. as they should be slower on the straights to make up for their mid corner and exit speed advantages.
How much heavier are the mustangs and beemers? I feel like there isn't huge difference and not enough to make up for the disparity in power. When I was watching the race the commenters were saying they haven't had a lot of time to develop the STi, which is also another reason it's behind. The races might be fair if all the cars were on a similar development level but until then I think they should get a boost.
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How much heavier are the mustangs and beemers? I feel like there isn't huge difference and not enough to make up for the disparity in power. When I was watching the race the commenters were saying they haven't had a lot of time to develop the STi, which is also another reason it's behind. The races might be fair if all the cars were on a similar development level but until then I think they should get a boost.
It's racing, not middle school kickball. Who gives a **** if it's fair?
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I'm hoping for more weight reduction which means less understeer, better AWD handling and exit speeds. Rule change, rule change!
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The Subaru is certainly developing out there, I've raced with is several times this season and there are certainly advantages. It has just about the same accel we have (Camaro), but it loses on the top-end pretty dramatically, this is why at places such as Daytona and Miami you won't see the car up front. The Subaru is also going to be lighter than the Mustang, Camaro and M3 (V8 cars), I know that in the Camaro we weigh 3250lb WITHOUT fuel or driver and we have a stock restricted LS3 which should put down somewhere about 380-400hp. The rules are very fair and that's why Grand-Am is the best race series in North America!


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It's racing, not middle school kickball. Who gives a **** if it's fair?
Woah, lets take a few deeps breaths for a second.


Fair may not have been the right word to use, please forgive me. The point was that the closer the cars are to being equal the better the racing will be and the happier everyone is.
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ROFL! I got a good kick out of that one! Mind if i steal it and use it on another forum?

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The Subaru is certainly developing out there, I've raced with is several times this season and there are certainly advantages. It has just about the same accel we have (Camaro), but it loses on the top-end pretty dramatically, this is why at places such as Daytona and Miami you won't see the car up front. The Subaru is also going to be lighter than the Mustang, Camaro and M3 (V8 cars), I know that in the Camaro we weigh 3250lb WITHOUT fuel or driver and we have a stock restricted LS3 which should put down somewhere about 380-400hp. The rules are very fair and that's why Grand-Am is the best race series in North America!


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Wow, we are blessed by two pro Grand Am (I still really want to call it koni) drivers on the forum, very cool. I think all the cars in the series are evenly matched, although I will say it was shocking to see the hoard of mustangs at the front of the Barber race.
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