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Old 02-28-2011, 04:34 PM   #51
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This motor seems like the perfect little bottom end. I don't know why more WRX's guys anit building cheap hybrids out of them.
You and me both. I've only been telling them about it since 2003. They just don't seem to listen. If it's not closed deck it must not be any good. Hah!
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:47 PM   #52
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^^ And the irony is that the EJ205s are open deck.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:00 PM   #53
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^^ And the irony is that the EJ205s are open deck.
And I think it's part of why people have been so slow to come around to the Ej22e as a builder. Years ago, Mike Shields wrote his now famous open deck versus closed deck paper. He was talking specifically about the open deck Ej25 but what that article did was put the whole Subaru community off of the idea of using open deck engines for anything powerful. Either it had to be closed deck or semi-closed deck.

But then as more became known about the engines people learned that the Ej20K used in the v3/v4 STi engines was open deck and making gobs of power. So, the thinking changed that maybe on the 2.0l the bore was small enough that open deck wasn't an issue. They just never re-examined the thinking behind the whole "open deck is bad" concept.

Nowawdays all that is out the window. We've got guys throwing STi internals into open deck Ej251 blocks and making reliable 400whp. It was never the open deck boogeyman that was the problem back then anyway. It was dark ages tuning more than anything else. Old timers will remember how many B-Spec built Ej25s blew up with all forged internals. It wasn't a shortcoming in B-Specs builds, it was a shortcoming in the tuning tools. We've come a long way and now we can tune these things properly and get them to hold together.

And the Ej22e offers a great formula. It adds 10% more displacement than stock while not significantly hindering your ability to rev. I reallly look forward to reading about guys building Ej22e/Ej205 hybrids that rev to 8000rpm and make 450whp. I doubt it will ever become commonplace, but it could.
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Old 03-01-2011, 02:34 PM   #54
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Hello I'm from the Uk I have a bug wagon 2.0 N/A( we call it a gx model) was wondering if it can be turbo'd? Also if so what parts would I need I think around 220bhp would be nice but if less is safer then so be it. Thanks guys
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:43 PM   #55
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And I think it's part of why people have been so slow to come around to the Ej22e as a builder. Years ago, Mike Shields wrote his now famous open deck versus closed deck paper. He was talking specifically about the open deck Ej25 but what that article did was put the whole Subaru community off of the idea of using open deck engines for anything powerful. Either it had to be closed deck or semi-closed deck.

But then as more became known about the engines people learned that the Ej20K used in the v3/v4 STi engines was open deck and making gobs of power. So, the thinking changed that maybe on the 2.0l the bore was small enough that open deck wasn't an issue. They just never re-examined the thinking behind the whole "open deck is bad" concept.

Nowawdays all that is out the window. We've got guys throwing STi internals into open deck Ej251 blocks and making reliable 400whp. It was never the open deck boogeyman that was the problem back then anyway. It was dark ages tuning more than anything else. Old timers will remember how many B-Spec built Ej25s blew up with all forged internals. It wasn't a shortcoming in B-Specs builds, it was a shortcoming in the tuning tools. We've come a long way and now we can tune these things properly and get them to hold together.

And the Ej22e offers a great formula. It adds 10% more displacement than stock while not significantly hindering your ability to rev. I reallly look forward to reading about guys building Ej22e/Ej205 hybrids that rev to 8000rpm and make 450whp. I doubt it will ever become commonplace, but it could.
Very well put sir!!!!
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:57 PM   #56
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Hello I'm from the Uk I have a bug wagon 2.0 N/A( we call it a gx model) was wondering if it can be turbo'd? Also if so what parts would I need I think around 220bhp would be nice but if less is safer then so be it. Thanks guys
Well in truth, you can turbo just about any engine.

I don't know too much about the EJ20 N/A engines and how they compare to the WRX EJ20s. However, if your motor is an EJ series, there are many options for you. There is a guy on the RS25 forums who took his EJ18 and turboed it and it was a monster. http://www.rs25.com/forums/f7/t81773-project-ej18t.html

220bhp is a fair number and I think it could be easily achieved with some low-moderate boost.
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Old 03-01-2011, 10:59 PM   #57
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Dale - 97 legacy gt | ej22e + ej22theads | tb0363@7PSi |370cc| dyno - N/a | n/a

heres my 97 legacy gt and my friends integra ls having some fun




fmic needs to be mooved over a smidge =[




specs...

ej22e bottom end
ej22t heads, injectors, waterpump
volvo tb0363 turbocharger
emusa exernal wastegate @ 7 psi
aem water injection system
apexi neo
everything else.... stock
stock fuel pump too?!?!?!
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:50 PM   #58
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Parts list is complete! ....almost haha

td04 turbo
06-07 wrx intercooler
headers/up pipe/downpipe
ej251 sohc heads
ej251 intake manifold/throttle body/injectors
pro sport gauges / Boost/Egt
Walbro fuel pump 255lph
Greddy emanage blue/support tool/injector harness/still need ignition harness
Perrin boost controller manual

anything else i may need still trying to map everything out let me know if im missing anything, ive already added misc expenses like gaskets, new fuel injector o rings, oils, coolant

if anyone has any good info on how to run coolant system for turbo let me know im having trouble finding info on it

And i need a gc8 crossmember so if anyone has on they wanna sell let me know, otherwise im just gonna get a wrx one but im not sure how to shim it to fit?
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Old 06-04-2011, 04:47 AM   #59
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Just bumping an old thread, but what head gaskets did you use for your build thorne, and do what CR did you end up with?
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Old 06-15-2011, 12:32 AM   #60
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updated parts list.. june 2011

engine: ej22e w/ ej22t pistons/rods/crank acl race bearings
10mm oil pump, ej25d heads, ej22t headgaskets,
walbro 255 fuel pump
sti 550cc injectors
perfect power 6
custom 1.5" up pipe. 3" dp
tial 38mm wastegate 7 psi
turbo: emusa.. t70.. -_- .68 hot .70 cold
soon to come.. turbonetics BTX6465XJ
gizmo multiscramble-IBC
ngk afx wide band
custom fmic nd piping.
rip off ssqv. payed $30 for it and it still works lawl

running at 8 psi right noww... thing ****in moves(well once it spools)....full boost is at 4500rpm



dont mind all the couplers.. soon to be all welded
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:41 PM   #61
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Subiedude why only 8psi?
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Old 06-15-2011, 10:40 PM   #62
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Subiedude why only 8psi?
That build could probably hold 350 whp. Massive boost on 91 octane possible. Compression ratio in the mid 7's?
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Old 06-16-2011, 12:57 AM   #63
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llol im working on raisingg it.. gotta ditch this maf first idk how much pressure it will hold before poping
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:11 AM   #64
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I run 10psi daily with an fmu.. I feel dirty for doing it, but it works good. I have the same build except with ported heads and 440's.
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:12 AM   #65
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Oh and why is an upgraded maf needed? I've heard they stop reading at 3ish psi, but if perfect power knows how much boost is present can it not handle that on it's own?

Double oh. I too had a 30$ bov, it hardly worked, I'm sure it was doing dirty things to my turbines!
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Old 06-16-2011, 08:47 PM   #66
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Helps with tunability. I've got a Nissian E60 MAF and because its scaled better it should get into at least 20 psi before getting pegged. If you go soley on a MAP sensor, it can be a really rough tune unless you are at WOT, or so I am told.
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Old 06-17-2011, 12:57 AM   #67
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im almost maxing out my maf now at 7 psi. with 11.5:1 afrs that t70 moves alot of air... all i can sayy..
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:02 AM   #68
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I guess I'll join

Car 95 Impreza
Running 5psi engine rebuilt but all stock bottom end and stock heads.

ACL race main bearings
ACL race rod bearings
NPR piston rings
SOHC ARP head studs
Cometic head gaskets .045 thick
turboXS knock light and Bosch sensor
walbor 255 fuel pump
DIY parallel fuel rails
modded gray top injectors free/ ditched these they suck and were cutting out at 4K rpms. went back to the legacy pinks.
08 STI oil pump
polished crank and balanced rotating assembly
DIY pnp head work
06 WRX Intercooler
VF11 turbo
06 WRX Fuel pump
370cc pink Injectors
ebay Up pipe
ebay Down pipe
Stock STI Headers
02 WRX Mid pipe
ebay glass pack muffler welded to 04 wrx axle Axle back pipe
Hood scoop
Gauge pod
Autometer EGT gauge
Equus Boost gauge
Equus Oil pressure gauge
Turbo oil return line
Turbo oil feed
Intake and TMIC couplers
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BOV piping
Grimspeed. Header, Uppipe, down, Cross pipe, uppipe to turbo, and down pipe to mid pipe gaskets
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Turbo water pump
in coolant lines 6 ft
One step colder Spark plugs
04 wrx cross member

More info here http://www.rs25.com/forums/f7/t14393...ct-ej22et.html





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Old 06-29-2011, 10:48 AM   #69
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I don't understand. The grey tops flow better than the ones you have on there now.
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Old 06-29-2011, 10:26 PM   #70
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Yeah I didn't get it ether but I don't care its running perfect now so I'm happy.
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:40 PM   #71
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Evan "scarecrow" -
93 Impreza L AWD
95 ej22e block and heads
TD04 running stock wastegate (7lbs, the ej18 was running 10-14)
Nissan SR20DET injectors (370cc)
no dyno or quarter

In addition I have a FMIC, bkr7e sparkplugs gapped to .30, safc2, ej18 intake manifold/ecu, wrx headers/uppipe, catless downpipe exhaust, Nissan Skyline GTR fuel pump, ACT 6 puck Clutch... i think that might be it...

I have a few pics... but i don't wanna upload them via links... I just got the ej22 in yesterday... I blew up the ej18 (220000 miles)... so theres some fine tuning to work out, but shes getting there...
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:27 AM   #72
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damn..nostalgia!!

dont use the emanage blue..its a POS that doesnt work.

ultimate or bust!!
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:22 PM   #73
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Paige - 1998 Legacy L wagon| all ej22e | Td04@3psi |stock injector | n/a | n/a

Finished up my turbo a few weeks ago. It was a long time coming, I spent over a year and a half being disappointed by a lack of progress and incorrect parts until one day I stumbled on a local craigslist ad where some one was selling their entire legacy-> to turbo set up for $400!
So everything bolted up and I have lots of spare parts from when I was piecing everything together myself.



Specs:
stock ej22e with 260k miles I just put in after hydro-locking my original.
Blox racing 6:1 rrfpr
walbro 255
subachad uppipe and downpipe to replace the custom uppipe built to the wrong spec
2006 wrx Td04 w/ 3psi wastegate
jdm slanty intercooler
bosch recirc valve, hopefully replace it with something not plastic
full 3inch stainless exhaust after the downpipe with highflow cat
Custom intake pieced together from siliconeintakes.com

few things I want to add soon:
diy parallel fuel lines
some sort of fuel management. greddy ultimate or make my ms2 into a piggyback
bigger injectors
msd coilpack

Also want to get it on the dyno soon. I'm still running 3 psi but I want to jump it up to 5 soon and get those dyno numbers.




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Old 12-25-2012, 03:13 AM   #74
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I know there is a lot of info on this page about ej22e to ej22t builds but I am a soob noob so if some one could give me a parts list so I can start collecting parts that would be great.

I'm looking to push upwords of 15psi so are forged internal parts available for ej22?

My engine has 150000 miles on it so is it too far gone to make this work and money worth it?

I really want to ditch the 5 speed tranny for an o4 sti 6 speed tranny. Is it possible to use that transition with my ej22? Are they adaptable?

Your answers are much appreciated thanks!
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:37 PM   #75
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Forged parts are available but you will also want to drop compression.
Also any subaru transmission fits any subaru engine with very very little exception (maybe the 360)
sti 6speeds have been put in everything you can imagine. The older engines have 4 bolt/studs and the newer stuff have 6 but the holes line up, they just replaced some pins with bolts.

Also 150k miles is nothing for these engines. I would inspect the heads and make sure you are up to date on the timing. Also a good old compression check is worth it.
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