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Old 05-31-2010, 10:48 PM   #1
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Default Dear Staten Island, this is what you get for dissing your trees

source: http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...sland?ap=1&MP4


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Military Fly-Over Injures 10 On Staten Island


By: NY1 News


Nearly a dozen people suffered minor injuries Monday during an annual Fleet Week demonstration on Staten Island.
U.S. Marine Corps officials say an MV-22 Osprey aircraft was landing in Clove Lakes Park around 8 a.m. when its powerful twin engines began kicking up dirt and debris over a shaded spectator area.


The force knocked over part of a tree causing people to scramble away as their picnic blankets and other belongings were swept up.
Seven people were treated at Richmond University Medical Center, but officials say their injuries were minor.

Several others were treated at the scene."I saw blankets flying everywhere, and people running it was nerve wracking," said one witness.
"It produced such a downward thrust that it basically ripped apart a tree, sending approximately 10 heavy limbs to the ground, and blew some people off their feet and that was the cause of the injury," said New York City Fire Department Battalion Chief Dan O'Gara.


The U.S. Marines Corps is investigating the incident. But according to initial findings, the pilot followed safe procedures while landing.
"We maintained our 150 feet minimum but that down rotor was still able to snap that tree limb off. So we're just very, very fortunate and very pleased that nobody is hurt anymore than some scratches and cuts," said Colonel Eric Smith of the 8th Marine Regiment.


The U.S. Navy says the rest of the marine air and ground demonstrations are going on as planned.
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Old 05-31-2010, 10:49 PM   #2
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man, those Ospreys find a way to kill people no matter what.
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^ They were lucky it didn't crash on them. They haven't really had a good flight record.
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Old 05-31-2010, 11:09 PM   #5
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Q baby, I know you dig deeper than I do, but this MAY not be a dissing tree issue. Any VTOL aircraft will throw stuff farther around than a conventional fixed wing plane.

When I was in Pa., there was an still is an airshow and a Harrier landed and took off. Upon takeoff, a piece of fod nailed my beloved Maui Jims and the left lens was biffed. It sounds like more 'not keeping a safe perimeter' than tree choppping.
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Old 05-31-2010, 11:13 PM   #7
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Q baby, I know you dig deeper than I do, but this MAY not be a dissing tree issue. Any VTOL aircraft will throw stuff farther around than a conventional fixed wing plane.

When I was in Pa., there was an still is an airshow and a Harrier landed and took off. Upon takeoff, a piece of fod nailed my beloved Maui Jims and the left lens was biffed. It sounds like more 'not keeping a safe perimeter' than tree choppping.

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I love the Osprey.
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I love the Osprey.
So far its only positive trait is asaulting people from Staten Island.
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Old 05-31-2010, 11:36 PM   #11
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I love the Osprey.
Next door neighbor is an Osprey driver. She loves it and she sez the safety record is no worse or better than any other VTOL aircraft.

She's deployed now and I hope to see her again.

She also kicks my ass in kung fu classes.
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Old 06-01-2010, 12:33 AM   #13
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man, those Ospreys find a way to kill people no matter what.

^ this.

We HATED these things. Biggest death traps ever made next to amtracs
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Old 06-01-2010, 12:45 AM   #14
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The downwash of an Osprey is about twice as powerful as a comparable size helicopter. Helicopter rotor disc loading is usually around 10 lb per sq ft give or take a few lbs. The V-22 disc loading is just over 20 lb per sq ft.
twice the rotors = twice the downforce????

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Old 06-01-2010, 12:49 AM   #15
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... she sez the safety record is no worse or better than any other VTOL aircraft.




Next time you talk to her, inform her that she needs to put down her Kool Aid and walk away.


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twice the rotors = twice the downforce????
You skipped right over that part about discloading, didn't you? Makes perfect sense to me... maybe I'm smarter than you.

And Boeing really needs to stick to making stuff that only flies in the vertical spectrum when it comes to defense hardware. They are very silly in their sillyness.
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So how many hours do you have in the Opsrey,ROb?

Shes been a driver for 3 years. I would take her word over yours.

Sheez, I've read the record too, but I'm believeing the pilot rather than the the anecdotal pilot.
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So how many hours do you have in the Opsrey,ROb?

Shes been a driver for 3 years. I would take her word over yours.

Sheez, I've read the record too, but I'm believeing the pilot rather than the the anecdotal pilot.
Listen, squirt. Every pilot of every pissbucket built over the decades that man has been flying has unending pride in their heap. It's part of being a pilot. You have to love it no matter what, because it's as much it's job as it is yours to get you and your people home.

There is NO arguing that the V-22 is a gigantic, ginormic cost overrun with a horrendous safety record, a big, fat, multiple-instance record of public self-humiliation (a few of which have ended in two-digit deaths-per-fireball ratios), and little in the way of admirable qualities.

Range. Woo hoo. I can take off from nothing and fly as far as a fixed-wing. But I just might decide to reverse thrust on one turbine or lose an important wiring harness or two. Oh, and those dudes on the ground? Yeah sorry... can't shoot back. I'm too busy pretending to be an airplane. You know Boeing's actually trying to pitch them for Dustoff duties? PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DUDE WITH THE GUN IN THE HILL. OUR HULL OF AWESOME WILL PROTECT US.

... ew. I'm talking about helicopters in a positive light. I blame the bourbon. It's the bourbon's fault.
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So how many hours do you have in the Opsrey,ROb?

Shes been a driver for 3 years. I would take her word over yours.

Sheez, I've read the record too, but I'm believeing the pilot rather than the the anecdotal pilot.
You really don't have ANY clue who you are talking to do you?
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Listen, squirt. Every pilot of every pissbucket built over the decades that man has been flying has unending pride in their heap. It's part of being a pilot. You have to love it no matter what, because it's as much it's job as it is yours to get you and your people home.

There is NO arguing that the V-22 is a gigantic, ginormic cost overrun with a horrendous safety record, a big, fat, multiple-instance record of public self-humiliation (a few of which have ended in two-digit deaths-per-fireball ratios), and little in the way of admirable qualities.

Range. Woo hoo. I can take off from nothing and fly as far as a fixed-wing. But I just might decide to reverse thrust on one turbine or lose an important wiring harness or two. Oh, and those dudes on the ground? Yeah sorry... can't shoot back. I'm too busy pretending to be an airplane. You know Boeing's actually trying to pitch them for Dustoff duties? PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DUDE WITH THE GUN IN THE HILL. OUR HULL OF AWESOME WILL PROTECT US.

... ew. I'm talking about helicopters in a positive light. I blame the bourbon. It's the bourbon's fault.
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Old 06-01-2010, 01:25 AM   #20
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Listen, squirt. Every pilot of every pissbucket built over the decades that man has been flying has unending pride in their heap. It's part of being a pilot. You have to love it no matter what, because it's as much it's job as it is yours to get you and your people home.

There is NO arguing that the V-22 is a gigantic, ginormic cost overrun with a horrendous safety record, a big, fat, multiple-instance record of public self-humiliation (a few of which have ended in two-digit deaths-per-fireball ratios), and little in the way of admirable qualities.

Range. Woo hoo. I can take off from nothing and fly as far as a fixed-wing. But I just might decide to reverse thrust on one turbine or lose an important wiring harness or two. Oh, and those dudes on the ground? Yeah sorry... can't shoot back. I'm too busy pretending to be an airplane. You know Boeing's actually trying to pitch them for Dustoff duties? PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DUDE WITH THE GUN IN THE HILL. OUR HULL OF AWESOME WILL PROTECT US.

... ew. I'm talking about helicopters in a positive light. I blame the bourbon. It's the bourbon's fault.
Stick to scotch like I have.
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Old 06-01-2010, 01:28 AM   #22
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You really don't have ANY clue who you are talking to do you?
You sir, I cannot have any meaningful rejoinder to in this thread.




Others perhaps, but not such a flagrant fanboi pile on.




































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Listen, squirt. Every pilot of every pissbucket built over the decades that man has been flying has unending pride in their heap. It's part of being a pilot. You have to love it no matter what, because it's as much it's job as it is yours to get you and your people home.

There is NO arguing that the V-22 is a gigantic, ginormic cost overrun with a horrendous safety record, a big, fat, multiple-instance record of public self-humiliation (a few of which have ended in two-digit deaths-per-fireball ratios), and little in the way of admirable qualities.

Range. Woo hoo. I can take off from nothing and fly as far as a fixed-wing. But I just might decide to reverse thrust on one turbine or lose an important wiring harness or two. Oh, and those dudes on the ground? Yeah sorry... can't shoot back. I'm too busy pretending to be an airplane. You know Boeing's actually trying to pitch them for Dustoff duties? PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DUDE WITH THE GUN IN THE HILL. OUR HULL OF AWESOME WILL PROTECT US.

... ew. I'm talking about helicopters in a positive light. I blame the bourbon. It's the bourbon's fault.
I agree with you Rob. That flying heap is responsible for many Marines deaths. Hell I think close to 20 Marines have died just in Az while flying in training missions in those.

They have a horrible track record of being unsafe, but because the government purchases from the lowest bidder, and has to honor a contract. We use em and Marines die.

Here is an article about people being killed in that thing.

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but because the government purchases from the lowest bidder,
Hey, now. That's not always true, and if it were it's not necessarily a bad thing. The long and short of the Osprey is it's too ambitious, and someone somewhere laid the right person so that the contract made it through.

You don't neccessarily have to outspend the competiton to make the better product. It's all about quality engineering, and (the thing that's really been missing more and more of late) pride. Some of us love what we do and put our hearts into it. Way too many of us don't.

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The fact that you added that is the hilarious part. Bell / Boeing haven't, and didn't. They delivered a couple of vehicles that went through piss-poor QA and it's cost many people their lives. Yeah, that's flying, that's technology, and that's "war," but you can only make so many excuses about a hunk of hardware that simply doesn't live up to expectations.

Ball? Dropped. Great job, Boeing. GET OUT OF DEFENSE. Leave.
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