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Old 06-01-2010, 07:39 PM   #1
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Default An age old (albeit dangerous) question: MBP or PC?

I'm nearing the point where I need to purchase a new laptop for law school in the fall. I'm still waiting on my student loans to process, but I've begun my research for a suitable replacement laptop. Currently I have a first gen Macbook and a desktop PC that I built myself 2 years ago. It has Windows 7 on it. I love Windows 7, but I also like OSX (I'm still on the first version of OSX for intel macs ). Anyways, I've read the other threads and I just want to be certain that buying a Macbook Pro is a stupid idea. Here are my stipulations:

-13-15" screen size
-6lb maximum
-4-5hr battery life minimum.
-New LED/WXGA screen.
-N wireless card.
-i5 processor. Still weary about i7s (do they consume a lot more battery on laptops?).
-Durable/little to no keyboard flex.
-SSD preferably.

I've been primarily looking at Lenovo T410/T410s/T510 and the Macbook Pros. I've also looked at the various Sony models, too. I fooled around with some Asus laptops at bestbuy and they honestly felt super cheap. I've also heard that their battery life is awful. So, here is what i've configured:


Macbook pro 15inch- 2.4Ghz.

Intel Core i5
4gb
128gb SSD
Upgraded screen
etc etc

Total: $2104 after edu discount.

Lenovo T410

Intel Core i5
4gb
128gb SSD
Upgraded to Windows 7 ultimate x64.
Upgraded Screen
Upgraded wireless card
Upgraded to Nvidia video card (like Mac)
Upgraded 6 cell battery (probably going to make it 6-7 pounds and it still won't last as long as the mac).

Total: $1919.

Lenovo has a deal going right now on T410 that makes the price 1400-1500 but I have to assume that deal wont be there when I am buying.


So am I missing something? The macbook design is better (more sturdy, less keyboard flex), I like the backlit keyboard and I really like the battery life. I also enjoy using Circus Ponies notetaking software.


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Old 06-01-2010, 07:41 PM   #2
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**** the PC.
Buy that.






























Who am I kidding...that would likely cost you a few organs.
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Old 06-01-2010, 07:43 PM   #3
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If you plan on keeping it for more than a year, get the MBP.

Inb4 Mac vs. PC debate
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Old 06-01-2010, 07:43 PM   #4
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You really want a Mac so just buy one.
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Old 06-01-2010, 07:43 PM   #5
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If you plan on keeping it for more than a year, get the MBP.

Inb4 Mac vs. PC debate
Yes, because then you can enjoy it falling apart out of warranty!
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Old 06-01-2010, 07:44 PM   #6
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You might want to go with a smaller screen. You don't have to get a 9 inch netbook, but having a 13 or 15 inch screen laptop will get old when you have to tote that thing around to classes. Everyone that has a 13 or 15 pretty much regrets not going smaller at UF.

Also keep in mind that you don't need a l337 hax)r c000mpu3r brah for school. In 3 years, it will be a three year old computer that you took notes on, checked e-mail, opened PDFs, and played some music to keep your sanity. 2 Gs is a lot of money to drop on something that isn't a tablet.

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Old 06-01-2010, 07:44 PM   #7
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You will enjoy using the macbook more, but it's not a better computer, especially for the money.

I'd not go above 13" for something that will leave my desk. It SUCKS carrying giant laptops.

It's anecdotal, but my apple laptops have far outlived any of my PCs.

Does law school require any programs that a netbook couldn't run? I can't think of much they do that requires a giant processor or tons of ram.

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Old 06-01-2010, 07:46 PM   #8
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Seriously. Asus has amazing customer service, and has a good track record for reliability. Although they do have pretty bad battery life. Asus makes the motherboards in almost every pc you'll probably pick up.

It might seem cheap but if the money is on the inside instead of on the outside thats fine by me.

Macs are over priced. You are basically paying a ton of extra money for a different OS, and a fancy looking case. They practically share the same processor, and video cards with pc's now. So why pay extra for the same thing.
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You might want to go with a smaller screen. You don't have to get a 9 inch netbook, but having a 13 or 15 inch screen laptop will get old when you have to tote that thing around to classes. Everyone that has a 13 or 15 pretty much regrets not going smaller at UF.

Also keep in mind that you don't need a l337 hax)r c000mpu3r brah for school. In 3 years, it will be a three year old computer that you took notes on, checked e-mail, opened PDFs, and played some music to keep your sanity. 2 Gs is a lot of money to drop on something that isn't a tablet.

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This is true/wise. I've sat in on a class at the law school I'll be attending and I don't think a 15" is going to be a problem. However, maybe I'll take a closer look at the 13" MBP. I'm just a very impatient person so that's my reasoning behind wanting the SSD/i5.
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Old 06-01-2010, 07:49 PM   #10
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Check with your school regarding what their system requirements are. If you are planning on taking exams with this laptop they will have to install specific software. Mac may be a no go.
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$2100 after student discount? what a frickin rip-off.
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Old 06-01-2010, 07:51 PM   #12
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Check with your school regarding what their system requirements are. If you are planning on taking exams with this laptop they will have to install specific software. Mac may be a no go.
Already checked. Testing software works for both. I'll be calling tomorrow to double check.

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$2100 after student discount? what a frickin rip-off.
Show me a laptop that fits the above criteria that is a lot less expensive? Hence the whole point of this thread?
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You can always boot the MacBook into Windows if need be.
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Show me a laptop that fits the above criteria that is a lot less expensive? Hence the whole point of this thread?
The SSD is what is killing you. If you could settle for a 7200rpm drive, you could get what you want for $1,000 EASY.
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Old 06-01-2010, 07:54 PM   #15
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Buy whatever laptop you want with the cheapest HDD they offer and just swap in your own (vastly superior) SSD.
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Buy whatever laptop you want with the cheapest HDD they offer and just swap in your own (vastly superior) SSD.
Why are Newegg (or whatever) SSD drives better than OEM?
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So 13" MBP

2.4ghz Intel core 2 duo
4gb of ram
128gb SSD
etc

$1414.

Stupid cause of core 2 duo?
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yeah, why ssd? That is a crap ton of money right now.
I take my laptop everyday to school with me (6 days a week). It has been on planes, trains, automobiles, possibly a boat also and my HD has never failed.
Aside from the "yo, I g0ts a SSD NAW I MeaN!!", I don't see the need to spend extra cash on it.
back y0 chit up and you should be fine.

Also, being that you are a student, "Feels cheap" doesn't mean "is cheap" and sometimes paying for what "feels" good isn't the best financial decision. My fiancee's hundai felt cheap compared to my RS-T, but she is driving her car to work everyday and I"m not
My gateway feels like a child made it with playdough, but I"ve had it for 2 years and it is fantastic.

In regards to your question, I think the i7s do use a lot of power. If this is a computer for class, I'd go with an i5 or less considering you aren't doing anything but typing/pretending to learn.

ACtually, if this was me,. I'd buy a netbook to use for class (~$300) and a bad ass desktop ($1200) for more important things and use the remainder of the money for accessories (bluetooth pointer/slide advancer (for talks), extra battery for netbook, etc).
. I currently have a netbook, 17"laptop and a desktop and I use all 3 every day. However, if I didn't need my full sized laptop for lab work (graphics intense), I'd get rid of it. My EEE PC and my desktop are good enough. That and 6 hours battery life (with actual usage) = t3h winnARZ.
I mean, I-winnARZ!
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Why are Newegg (or whatever) SSD drives better than OEM?
Well, for one, Newegg doesn't make drives, it sells them. They tend to be quite a bit faster, as the tech is moving very quickly. You pay a lot more money upgrading to an SSD at the factory that is already dated.
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yeah, why ssd? That is a crap ton of money right now.
I take my laptop everyday to school with me (6 days a week). It has been on planes, trains, automobiles, possibly a boat also and my HD has never failed.
Aside from the "yo, I g0ts a SSD NAW I MeaN!!", I don't see the need to spend extra cash on it.
back y0 chit up and you should be fine.

Also, being that you are a student, "Feels cheap" doesn't mean "is cheap" and sometimes paying for what "feels" good isn't the best financial decision. My fiancee's hundai felt cheap compared to my RS-T, but she is driving her car to work everyday and I"m not
My gateway feels like a child made it with playdough, but I"ve had it for 2 years and it is fantastic.

In regards to your question, I think the i7s do use a lot of power. If this is a computer for class, I'd go with an i5 or less considering you aren't doing anything but typing/pretending to learn.

ACtually, if this was me,. I'd buy a netbook to use for class (~$300) and a bad ass desktop ($1200) for more important things and use the remainder of the money for accessories (bluetooth pointer/slide advancer (for talks), extra battery for netbook, etc).
. I currently have a netbook, 17"laptop and a desktop and I use all 3 every day. However, if I didn't need my full sized laptop for lab work (graphics intense), I'd get rid of it. My EEE PC and my desktop are good enough. That and 6 hours battery life (with actual usage) = t3h winnARZ.
I mean, I-winnARZ!

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My reasons for SSD (could be incorrect): Boots up way faster after closing the laptop, uses less power, less prone to failure.
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My reasons for SSD (could be incorrect): Boots up way faster after closing the laptop, uses less power, less prone to failure.
Nope. Waking from sleep is near-instantaneous regardless.
Arguably, but not a drastic difference.
Meh, hit or miss. Treat any drive like a ticking time bomb and back up accordingly.
For the price of an SSD you could replace HDDs in that MacBook for two decades.
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Yes, because then you can enjoy it falling apart out of warranty!
I've never had a problem with any of the 3 macbook pros I've owned.
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Waking from sleep is fast because the PC state is stored in RAM. Recovering from hibernation or from a fully off position will be faster with the SSD
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Nope. Waking from sleep is near-instantaneous regardless.
Arguably, but not a drastic difference.
Meh, hit or miss. Treat any drive like a ticking time bomb and back up accordingly.
For the price of an SSD you could replace HDDs in that MacBook for two decades.
Hmm. Then why all the ranting and raving about SSDs?
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