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Old 06-02-2010, 12:20 PM   #1
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Default Few tuning questions

First off I have a 02 wrx wagon auto

all I have is turbo back exhaust.

Could the tuner (awdtuning) just do a road tune and ost?

A guy unknown went they for a tune week after getting his 02 wrx. He had it tuned and he spun a bearing two days later.


I can't afford to rebuild a motor.

Could I just but a AP and run that map for a reflash?


I don't want to do a dyno run. I want to know my numbers, but I don't want to risk motor blowing. ( don't know the dyno process) do they just run the car thru all gears and redline?


Flame if you must, I need to learn somehow...
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Old 06-02-2010, 12:24 PM   #2
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Also, I will be buying a up pipe before tune.

I have srs TBE should I buy their up pipe but it's flex.

If not which is better Perrin or invida(sp).

I haven't looked into detail on them but do they offer the egt bung?
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Old 06-02-2010, 12:25 PM   #3
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First off I have a 02 wrx wagon auto

all I have is turbo back exhaust.

Could the tuner (awdtuning) just do a road tune and ost?

A guy unknown went they for a tune week after getting his 02 wrx. He had it tuned and he spun a bearing two days later.


I can't afford to rebuild a motor.

Could I just but a AP and run that map for a reflash?


I don't want to do a dyno run. I want to know my numbers, but I don't want to risk motor blowing. ( don't know the dyno process) do they just run the car thru all gears and redline?


Flame if you must, I need to learn somehow...
Some tuners will give the option of either a road tune or a dyno tune. Neither one is any more "dangerous" and most assume to use the dyno because you are not then driving illegaly on roads.

Most basic tunes on dynos require your tuner to drive the car while on the dyno but only actually pull in 1 gear, usually 3rd or 4th for the tune up to redline. They do not rip all the way through every gear and its widely believed to be much safer for a car because the load is not as great. Plus if little problems occur they are right there to fix it. Generally this does cost more than a basic road tune though.

Of course you can always go with an accessport but you will see much much mcuh better power from your tuner, especially because Mary and keith at AWD are awesome!

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Old 06-02-2010, 12:53 PM   #4
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If you want a reliable car, remove all mods, leave it stock, and be happy where it is.

Keith doesn't road tune anymore. He has a dyno now. Also, avoid SRS up-pipe like the plague.
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:09 PM   #5
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when I talked to Keith about three months ago he said he can road tune and dyno. Dyno was 25 more per hour.


Will a tune for the tbe be worth it? Or should I wait to tune when I get a bigger turbo and supporting mods and tune then?


I just got a 1200 bonus and wanting more power out of my car.

Either just the up pipe an tune.
Or sti turbo,fp,injectors. Then up pope tune


Or up pipe (install myself) and get a AP. I'm just worries on ost because if something happens I am 3hoirs from awdtuning.


Which three options would be best. And stayibg around 1200

I will stay awy from SRS up pipe. I found Perrin and invida up pipes brand new on eBay for 110.00 which one would be best?
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:11 PM   #6
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Your call on tuning method (it's not magically more dangerous to run on a dyno, quite the opposite), mod path, and up-pipe.
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:16 PM   #7
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Your call on tuning method (it's not magically more dangerous to run on a dyno, quite the opposite)
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Keith's tunes are normally extremely safe, you can't go wrong.
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:17 PM   #8
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Will a tune for the tbe be worth it? Or should I wait to tune when I get a bigger turbo and supporting mods and tune then?
If you're not done modding you car, then, IMHO a dyno tune is not worth it. Why spend the money now when you now you're going to have to retune it later? A turbo back and uppipe aren't exactly major upgrades, and there are plenty of good OTS stage 2 maps out there that will suit you just fine and make reliable power.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:16 PM   #9
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Ahhh stephenville HATE that town. I went to TSU for about a year. Then moved up to Dallas and go to UTI. Keith at AWD is a great guy. He and his wifey Mary do so much for the Subie community. You wont regret being tuned by him.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:45 PM   #10
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So I should get an AP then? I plan on getting sti turbo etc but I'm still unsure when I want to install/buy.



Yes stephenville is terrible. I'll be moving to houston for UTI in august. How do you like it? Went to Lincoln tech is was terrible school.
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How were you tuned when you got the TBE?
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:54 PM   #12
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How were you tuned when you got the TBE?
I'm second owner of car. PO kept stock not even tint. So I'm on factory tune I guess. I reset ecu that's about it
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So I should get an AP then? I plan on getting sti turbo etc but I'm still unsure when I want to install/buy.



Yes stephenville is terrible. I'll be moving to houston for UTI in august. How do you like it? Went to Lincoln tech is was terrible school.
You could be open sourced tuned at AWDtuning for half the price of buying an AP.
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So I should get an AP then? I plan on getting sti turbo etc but I'm still unsure when I want to install/buy.
You don't necessarily need an AP. If you plan on needing to switch between maps for what ever reason, i.e. race gas map for the track, or traveling out of state to where you can only get 91 octane, then the AP is one option out there. You can get an open source tune is another option, you can have a map flashed on, and leave it alone until your next upgrade, or if you have a laptop, get a tactrix cable and flash maps on yourself.

Now I know the debate between AP and OS is deeply divide, and will probably rage on until the end of time, ultimately turning brother against brother and ending in the automotive apocalypse... but for what its worth, I'm not a such a big believer in the AP. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good product and it works well, but I don't think the price tag justifies itself, especially when there are much cheaper ways to get the same results.
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Old 06-02-2010, 05:41 PM   #15
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I'm not needing to switch from map to map.

I'm just worried about motor blowing likeyhat other guy I talked to ( not suing itwas Keith fault. Motor coulda been ran hard. )

I've heard nothing but great things from/about Keith. He told me if he turns it he will throw in the ost for free.


I would like a protune over the AP but if something happens where I need to go stock. I am 3 hours from him. With te ap I can flash it on the spot.


Will I be able to feel slot more power with a AP stage two flash?

Right now feels like a Ford focus can beat me.
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I'm not needing to switch from map to map.

I'm just worried about motor blowing likeyhat other guy I talked to ( not suing itwas Keith fault. Motor coulda been ran hard. )

I've heard nothing but great things from/about Keith. He told me if he turns it he will throw in the ost for free.


I would like a protune over the AP but if something happens where I need to go stock. I am 3 hours from him. With te ap I can flash it on the spot.


Will I be able to feel slot more power with a AP stage two flash?

Right now feels like a Ford focus can beat me.
It'll be a noticeable difference from stock, even from your current setup without a tune. You should head over to the engine management sub forum, read the stickies there and gather info about all this different options out there, and with the advice of your tuner, decide which is the best option for you.
Good luck, and enjoy stage 2, but be warned it's a gateway drug.
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:41 PM   #17
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Thanks for the insight everyone.
I have tried to read the EM forums but I just got lost. (back when car was stock)

I'll check it out and read up on some things.


How about this:

Buy the AP for stage 2 flash. Drive on that for awhile. When I get the new turbo set up. Sell the AP. For 200 or so and get a OS or the new turbo and supporting mods.
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:42 PM   #18
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Just go get tuned at AWDTuning they are great. Keith is a master and has tuned two of my cars. As far as UTI goes you wont regret it, great school and they just opened this brand new campus in Irving. I suggest looking into the Irving campus before moving all your shat down to Houston.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:03 PM   #19
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I will Contact Keith before I spend money on a AP and get everything worked out.


Since he charges 80 for plug changes,Subaru charges me 224.00 how do you guys like the one step colder? How often do you change plugs on subarus?

I may just follow the write up and change them
myself, I should learn some time.


As for UTi, do you have lessons(classroom) and on car training in the shop?


At Lincoln tech, teacher would teach for first week then next three weeks he would leave and let us do our own thing. So I dropped out.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:22 PM   #20
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Yes half the day is lecture the second half is in garage. Class is everyday besides Saturday and Sunday. Classes start for me August 2nd and it would be sweet to have another Subie guy in there with me lol. We will also be using 3D imaging software to build drivetrains, braking systems ect. Call this number 972-505-2200 and they will get you set up.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:41 PM   #21
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I'll look into the aug 2 start date. Wouldn't mind going with another auboe owner too. I had one STi guy at old school but he was a dick cuz his parents bought his car and thought he ha fastest car there. There decent aprtments near campus?
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:43 PM   #22
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Ya the school is right next to the airport. Me and my buddy are going to live in Copell.
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Old 06-02-2010, 08:58 PM   #23
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Awesome, I'll have to look onto the campus and area.


I'll feel under powered against your 08 tho.
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Haha as soon as I graduate Im going to add an 07 STi to the collection. You on facebook?
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Damn,
I thought about taking out 20k in student loans and buying a 05 sti while in school.


I'm on FB Matt voris.
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