How to raise turbo with Perrin rotated uppipe

emsmap · 06-07-2010, 11:19 PM

Hello, I just bought a Perrin rotated uppipe and I have seen the Perrin kit in pics. The turbo sits to hidden and low for my taste. How could I raise the turbo a little bit with the uppipe? Maybe somekind of an adapter plate? Maybe get longer studs for the top of the pipe where the turbo sits and get an exhaust shop to make a spacer for it so the turbo can sit on the spacer making it sit higher? Im up for suggestions, thanks

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tobylazur · 06-08-2010, 01:16 AM

I haven't seen the kit, but you more than likely could have a steel spacer made for your up-pipe. You'd more than likely have to change the inlet, downpipe, and outlet piping as well.

All4bSpinnin · 06-08-2010, 06:39 PM

it sits like that so you get faster spool...i wouldnt change it... just redo the angle and/or intake system to make it a bit cleaner if thats what you're going for...

the turbo on the WRC car actually sits a bit lower and points upward... i wish more companies would mimic this... but good job going rotated! The car will but more faster and easier to work on

emsmap · 06-08-2010, 06:46 PM

Thanks guys! I really like some of the rotated kits that sit higher and you can actually see the turbo when you open the hood like turbo xs's kit. I need to get a 44mm wastegate and turbo first lol

emsmap · 06-08-2010, 11:05 PM

Ill get pics tomorrow of the uppipe, downpipe and 4 inch inlet. I basically just want to move the turbo up about 2 inches so when I pop the hood, you'll be able to see it way easier

fobiawrx · 06-09-2010, 12:51 AM

you can add a 2 inch pipe to you up pipe and get it higher. you have to change your dp to fit also. everything else should fit. a good shop should be able to do this for you.

emsmap · 06-09-2010, 11:12 AM

Thanks fobiawrx! When I get a turbo and wastegate, I will take it to a shop to get welded

PERRIN_Chris · 06-09-2010, 12:18 PM

To raise the turbo, you will have to do a lot of modification, raising the turbo will also mess with the alignment of the intake, since it's designed to be a cold air intake, moving the turbo will cause the cold air intake to not line up and go through the hole in the fender. You may have to make a new pipe to connect to the first boost tube coming off the turbo. Theoretically it can be done with machined spacers on the up pipe, but the downpipe will have to be cut and extra length added.

1fly05sti · 06-09-2010, 10:22 PM

this is the adapter im using for my rotated set up, bolts up to any stock location up pipe and the other flange was rotated, simple and cheap

emsmap · 06-09-2010, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Chris

To raise the turbo, you will have to do a lot of modification, raising the turbo will also mess with the alignment of the intake, since it's designed to be a cold air intake, moving the turbo will cause the cold air intake to not line up and go through the hole in the fender. You may have to make a new pipe to connect to the first boost tube coming off the turbo. Theoretically it can be done with machined spacers on the up pipe, but the downpipe will have to be cut and extra length added.

Thanks for the input man! I actually am not going to run the cold air intake. I have the Perrin short ram 4 inch inlet. Also I am custom cutting my existing intercooler pipes to work with it, so thats not an issue.

emsmap · 06-09-2010, 11:20 PM

1fly05sti--- that is pretty awesome man! I like that alot. Where did you get the 2 flanges at?

emsmap · 06-09-2010, 11:27 PM

also! I might actually be going to this towing business tomorrow to look at Holset turbos off some older trucks. Does anyone know if they will bolt up to the Perrin pipes and what is the smallest one? Thanks

olsen726 · 06-10-2010, 02:48 AM

go for the hy35 if you go for a holset off of an old diesel. they have the small housing, so you will get quicker spool

emsmap · 06-10-2010, 09:14 AM

Thank you!!

fobiawrx · 06-10-2010, 12:01 PM

i don't think that turbo is a 4 bolt. si you would need a new flange on your dp.

why don't you just sell your kit and buy one you like or have one made. i make kits for people all the time because they want things a certain way or want to use a certain turbo. you might be able to break even if you get a good price for everything

emsmap · 06-10-2010, 01:45 PM

Its always a possibility man. I am new to rotated setups so I found this perrin setup and thought it was the way to go but I found out how low the turbo sits with the perrin uppipe and I was kinda disappointed lol. I just want it to set up like the turboxs or other kits (not so hidden) I dont have a external wastegate uppipe so that is mainly why I bought it. I guess I will buy a t3t4 turbo and wastegate and then worry about how it sets when I get to that dilemma lol

All4bSpinnin · 06-11-2010, 11:37 PM

EMSmap... imo this is a waste of money. I know you want the turbo to bling but i would seriously be more concerned with where it sits behind the head for ease of installation and getting a metal intake/piping made

A car with clean/polished intake and fmic piping tends to bling pretty good. If I were you, I would get custom made intercooler piping that fits specifically to your car and run piping specifically sized for your turbo. Fmic kits like APS, turboXS, etc often use piping that is too large... P&L makes a good kit.

But ya, get your piping customed and shortened for faster spool and get it polished for bling. The turbo sitting low shouldnt be a concern. Again, this is my opinion based on technical data

If you are really stuck on raising it, the pic posted above is a possible fix... remember, you will have another gasket to worry about and more bolts.

emsmap · 06-12-2010, 12:44 AM

I am actually just going to get an adpater plate to put between the uppipe and the turbo and put longer studs in. I will have 2 T4 gaskets for this. This should work no problem

piddster · 06-19-2010, 02:18 AM

Get rid of the Perrin garbage and have someone fab something that works.

Sinister redlines · 06-20-2010, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piddster

Get rid of the Perrin garbage and have someone fab something that works.

Funny^^ My gt35 has never complained? It was a easy install both tines I have had it apart.

PERRIN_Jarid · 06-21-2010, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piddster

Get rid of the Perrin garbage and have someone fab something that works.

Why is our rotated kit garbage? The fit and finish is excellent and we have have had near zero problems with their performance.

69subaru360 · 06-21-2010, 01:37 PM

Want to sell just perrin up and downpipes? I might buy them off you for future projects if you want to sell. Then you could buy txs pipes.

CKxx · 06-21-2010, 02:08 PM

You can't use a spacer like you are describing. The top flange for the turbo sits at an angle. Putting a spacer on it would only get it closer to the strut tower.

Just some food for thought...have you ever asked yourself why TXS is the only kit with a turbo 20ft in the air?

emsmap · 06-21-2010, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKxx

You can't use a spacer like you are describing. The top flange for the turbo sits at an angle. Putting a spacer on it would only get it closer to the strut tower.

Just some food for thought...have you ever asked yourself why TXS is the only kit with a turbo 20ft in the air?

LOL Why is that? WHy does TXS kit sit higher than anyone else?

CKxx · 06-21-2010, 07:24 PM

I was simply hinting that maybe there is a performance reason, like having a shorter up-pipe, or a downpipe without such an extreme bend coming off the turbo.

06-07-2010, 11:19 PM	#1
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	How to raise turbo with Perrin rotated uppipe Hello, I just bought a Perrin rotated uppipe and I have seen the Perrin kit in pics. The turbo sits to hidden and low for my taste. How could I raise the turbo a little bit with the uppipe? Maybe somekind of an adapter plate? Maybe get longer studs for the top of the pipe where the turbo sits and get an exhaust shop to make a spacer for it so the turbo can sit on the spacer making it sit higher? Im up for suggestions, thanks * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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tobylazur Scooby Specialist Member#: 150289 Join Date: May 2007 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: PHX, AZ Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon WRB	I haven't seen the kit, but you more than likely could have a steel spacer made for your up-pipe. You'd more than likely have to change the inlet, downpipe, and outlet piping as well.

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All4bSpinnin Scooby Guru Member#: 99102 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Jax, FL Vehicle: 08 Corvette Z06 problem Traction?	it sits like that so you get faster spool...i wouldnt change it... just redo the angle and/or intake system to make it a bit cleaner if thats what you're going for... the turbo on the WRC car actually sits a bit lower and points upward... i wish more companies would mimic this... but good job going rotated! The car will but more faster and easier to work on

06-08-2010, 06:46 PM	#4
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	Thanks guys! I really like some of the rotated kits that sit higher and you can actually see the turbo when you open the hood like turbo xs's kit. I need to get a 44mm wastegate and turbo first lol

06-08-2010, 11:05 PM	#5
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	Ill get pics tomorrow of the uppipe, downpipe and 4 inch inlet. I basically just want to move the turbo up about 2 inches so when I pop the hood, you'll be able to see it way easier

06-09-2010, 12:51 AM	#6
fobiawrx Scooby Specialist Member#: 91074 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: mn baby Vehicle: 04 sti white	you can add a 2 inch pipe to you up pipe and get it higher. you have to change your dp to fit also. everything else should fit. a good shop should be able to do this for you.

06-09-2010, 11:12 AM	#7
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	Thanks fobiawrx! When I get a turbo and wastegate, I will take it to a shop to get welded

06-09-2010, 12:18 PM	#8
PERRIN_Chris NASIOC Vendor Member#: 186665 Join Date: Aug 2008 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Hillsboro, OR Vehicle: 2006 STi Crystal Grey Metallic	To raise the turbo, you will have to do a lot of modification, raising the turbo will also mess with the alignment of the intake, since it's designed to be a cold air intake, moving the turbo will cause the cold air intake to not line up and go through the hole in the fender. You may have to make a new pipe to connect to the first boost tube coming off the turbo. Theoretically it can be done with machined spacers on the up pipe, but the downpipe will have to be cut and extra length added.

06-09-2010, 10:22 PM	#9
1fly05sti Scooby Specialist Member#: 151009 Join Date: Jun 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 05 STI OBP under construction	this is the adapter im using for my rotated set up, bolts up to any stock location up pipe and the other flange was rotated, simple and cheap

06-09-2010, 11:20 PM	#11
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	1fly05sti--- that is pretty awesome man! I like that alot. Where did you get the 2 flanges at?

06-09-2010, 11:27 PM	#12
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	also! I might actually be going to this towing business tomorrow to look at Holset turbos off some older trucks. Does anyone know if they will bolt up to the Perrin pipes and what is the smallest one? Thanks

06-10-2010, 02:48 AM	#13
olsen726 Scooby Specialist Member#: 154175 Join Date: Jul 2007 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: PDX Vehicle: 07 Impreza Wagon 2.5i???	go for the hy35 if you go for a holset off of an old diesel. they have the small housing, so you will get quicker spool

06-10-2010, 09:14 AM	#14
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	Thank you!!

06-10-2010, 12:01 PM	#15
fobiawrx Scooby Specialist Member#: 91074 Join Date: Jul 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: mn baby Vehicle: 04 sti white	i don't think that turbo is a 4 bolt. si you would need a new flange on your dp. why don't you just sell your kit and buy one you like or have one made. i make kits for people all the time because they want things a certain way or want to use a certain turbo. you might be able to break even if you get a good price for everything

06-10-2010, 01:45 PM	#16
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	Its always a possibility man. I am new to rotated setups so I found this perrin setup and thought it was the way to go but I found out how low the turbo sits with the perrin uppipe and I was kinda disappointed lol. I just want it to set up like the turboxs or other kits (not so hidden) I dont have a external wastegate uppipe so that is mainly why I bought it. I guess I will buy a t3t4 turbo and wastegate and then worry about how it sets when I get to that dilemma lol

06-11-2010, 11:37 PM	#17
All4bSpinnin Scooby Guru Member#: 99102 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Jax, FL Vehicle: 08 Corvette Z06 problem Traction?	EMSmap... imo this is a waste of money. I know you want the turbo to bling but i would seriously be more concerned with where it sits behind the head for ease of installation and getting a metal intake/piping made A car with clean/polished intake and fmic piping tends to bling pretty good. If I were you, I would get custom made intercooler piping that fits specifically to your car and run piping specifically sized for your turbo. Fmic kits like APS, turboXS, etc often use piping that is too large... P&L makes a good kit. But ya, get your piping customed and shortened for faster spool and get it polished for bling. The turbo sitting low shouldnt be a concern. Again, this is my opinion based on technical data If you are really stuck on raising it, the pic posted above is a possible fix... remember, you will have another gasket to worry about and more bolts.

06-12-2010, 12:44 AM	#18
emsmap Scooby Guru Member#: 159334 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV Vehicle: 02 PSM WRX UTEC,PPG,FMIC, Big turbo	I am actually just going to get an adpater plate to put between the uppipe and the turbo and put longer studs in. I will have 2 T4 gaskets for this. This should work no problem

06-19-2010, 02:18 AM	#19
piddster Scooby Newbie Member#: 144285 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Twin Cities, MN Vehicle: 1993 UHEV Legacy	Get rid of the Perrin garbage and have someone fab something that works.

06-21-2010, 01:37 PM	#22
69subaru360 Scooby Guru Member#: 159682 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Belfast Maine Vehicle: 1995 WRX	Want to sell just perrin up and downpipes? I might buy them off you for future projects if you want to sell. Then you could buy txs pipes.

06-21-2010, 02:08 PM	#23
CKxx Scooby Specialist Member#: 33458 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: PA Vehicle: Your BOV sounds lame 93 RX7+09 Forester	You can't use a spacer like you are describing. The top flange for the turbo sits at an angle. Putting a spacer on it would only get it closer to the strut tower. Just some food for thought...have you ever asked yourself why TXS is the only kit with a turbo 20ft in the air?

06-21-2010, 07:24 PM	#25
CKxx Scooby Specialist Member#: 33458 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: PA Vehicle: Your BOV sounds lame 93 RX7+09 Forester	I was simply hinting that maybe there is a performance reason, like having a shorter up-pipe, or a downpipe without such an extreme bend coming off the turbo.