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Old 06-22-2010, 12:40 AM   #26
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Why is our rotated kit garbage? The fit and finish is excellent and we have have had near zero problems with their performance.

I've helped install two of the early sets (maybe you fixed the issue since then) and there were interference problems. One with the transmission crossmember, the other with the intake manifold.


Besides that, the turbo is set at an angle that is more than recommended by Garrett. I'd rather not have oil drag on my turbo's bearings, reducing the spool-up and compromising the drainage.




The best fitting pipe set is always the one you fab for the turbo to sit where you want, with clearance for everything that you have. Bolt-on stuff makes you take risks that you may have to compromise something else to keep said kit.
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Old 06-22-2010, 12:56 AM   #27
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LOL thats your opinion. Perrin makes one of the best kits there is. I just want my turbo to sit higher so I can see it when I open the hood
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:12 AM   #28
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this is the adapter im using for my rotated set up, bolts up to any stock location up pipe and the other flange was rotated, simple and cheap

sold. where can i get one @
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:42 AM   #29
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LOL thats your opinion. Perrin makes one of the best kits there is. I just want my turbo to sit higher so I can see it when I open the hood

If it's anything like their fuel rail kits, I'd run, actually sprint away. A ton of money for something that can be done better and cheaper.


The money you would save by doing it yourself will pay for a welder and scrap to learn on.



Since I've been in the game (about ten years), I've never been impressed with a Perrin product. You newbs can continue to say otherwise, but you will not change my mind. There's a reason I've never bought a "kit" for my Subaru, whether its from Perrin, Turbo XS, COBB, or whomever else is apparently "big dick swingen" in the hot-rodding game of Subarus.

Nothing compares to the "been there, done that, a couple times" experience. From that I've learned just a few things.
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Old 06-22-2010, 01:54 AM   #30
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I've helped install two of the early sets (maybe you fixed the issue since then) and there were interference problems. One with the transmission crossmember, the other with the intake manifold.
Yeah, mine was an absolute nightmare to get in. I had tstrboy2003 "adjust" the downpipe to make it fit. It was rubbing so hard on the crossmember that it had started to gouge a nice hole after about 100 miles. It still rattles, but at least it isn't wearing a hole. And don't get me started on the wastegate. I fought with that one for a few days.

I've seen your work, and if I had to do it again, I'd definitely give you the reins and let you fab up the pipes.
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Old 06-22-2010, 02:26 PM   #31
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sold. where can i get one @
Agreed! I want one too. Link? Price. WHERE WHERE WHERE!?!?!
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Old 06-22-2010, 05:26 PM   #32
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this is the adapter im using for my rotated set up, bolts up to any stock location up pipe and the other flange was rotated, simple and cheap

OMG I luv you!!!!!!!!

who welded it? how much? and how long to get one?

I need this, like yesterday
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:24 PM   #33
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OMG I luv you!!!!!!!!

who welded it? how much? and how long to get one?

I need this, like yesterday
ditto!! I would like to get one of these
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:09 PM   #34
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ohh wow didnt really think this would get interest.. for those interested im going to get in touch with the guy that made it and maybe he can make a couple more for those interested..

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Old 06-23-2010, 01:40 PM   #35
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sold. where can i get one @
We though of that long long ago but the issue is compatibility with other FMIC's. It pushes the turbo up pretty high then causing almost no FMIC to fit. We ended up doing this for the Rockstar Rally cars a couple years back (because they had the JDM type header/turbo) and it does work! It just requires lots of other custom things.

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I've helped install two of the early sets (maybe you fixed the issue since then) and there were interference problems. One with the transmission crossmember, the other with the intake manifold.

Besides that, the turbo is set at an angle that is more than recommended by Garrett. I'd rather not have oil drag on my turbo's bearings, reducing the spool-up and compromising the drainage.

The best fitting pipe set is always the one you fab for the turbo to sit where you want, with clearance for everything that you have. Bolt-on stuff makes you take risks that you may have to compromise something else to keep said kit.
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If it's anything like their fuel rail kits, I'd run, actually sprint away. A ton of money for something that can be done better and cheaper.

The money you would save by doing it yourself will pay for a welder and scrap to learn on.

Since I've been in the game (about ten years), I've never been impressed with a Perrin product. You newbs can continue to say otherwise, but you will not change my mind. There's a reason I've never bought a "kit" for my Subaru, whether its from Perrin, Turbo XS, COBB, or whomever else is apparently "big dick swingen" in the hot-rodding game of Subarus.

Nothing compares to the "been there, done that, a couple times" experience. From that I've learned just a few things.
Not sure what problems you had with our Fuel rails, i would love you to give me your experience so we can make changes! It almost sounds like this was years ago, and things changed, don't forget!

But if you are suggesting that customer don't buy a kit, they just make it, or go have someone make it, that is not very feasible for most customers. This will cost more for sure, and not to mention there are not that many people out there qualified to do work like that.

Regarding the design of the turbo being tipped back! Its funny how you would say that causes extra wear and tear on bearings and causes lag. Actually that is sooooo far from the truth. Before Garrett started turning off dealers like us from buying direct(and building everything in Mexico and China), we had an egnineer asigned to us to answer questions. In one of our calls i asked how Subaru/IHI can use a turbo sitting almost perpendicular to the ground on their rally cars. Long story short, he ended up saying that a bit of an angle can be good! While we had designed the kit long before they told us this, we were also surprised.

The reason for some angle being good is that exhaust pressure (always higher than boost pressure) is constantly pushing the exhaust wheel forward toward the compressor side. If anything this causes some wear in that direction. Tipping it back helps balance out that wear. Now with that said, he also said its pretty minor and as long as you don't have oil burning out the turbine its not going to hurt anything. Either way i have never had a turbo go bad over time. Every warranty turbo we have ever had to deal with happened almost instantly.

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Yeah, mine was an absolute nightmare to get in. I had tstrboy2003 "adjust" the downpipe to make it fit. It was rubbing so hard on the crossmember that it had started to gouge a nice hole after about 100 miles. It still rattles, but at least it isn't wearing a hole. And don't get me started on the wastegate. I fought with that one for a few days.

I've seen your work, and if I had to do it again, I'd definitely give you the reins and let you fab up the pipes.
Did you not call and say your DP is hitting the crossmember? Over the years that came up a few times and we always sent out new parts!

I would like to know when you got your kit? Long ago we were sending out kits that was a box of parts. Customers had a hard time(as well as shops) assembling them it cause them and us lots of issues. We then started assembling the whole thing and shipping them so there were far less things to deal with. We spend a great deal of time assembling these kits with the right restictors, hoses, making sure the uppipe, turbo, wastegate and downpipe all are lined up and perfect, all that to make installation go perfect. Since we have been doing this, we have had virtually zero calls regarding fitment, or warranty of "Bad Turbos" or anything like that. So if you have had a issue and haven't called us, CALL US!!!

I hope that answers some of the concerns about our kit and why its made the way it is!
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Old 06-24-2010, 12:55 AM   #36
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i do like the idea, BUT when yout think about it, if you spend maybe another 75 bucks then just get the whole up pipe redone. . . . . .

just a thought but yea . . . . . .that idea is freakin awesome
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:32 PM   #37
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hey guys i'm the one making those adaptors, i don't want to get in trouble with moderators so if your interested pm me for info
thanks
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:24 PM   #38
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^^ohh there you go ppl this is the guy that made the adapter
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Old 07-21-2010, 09:51 PM   #39
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new setup going in soon as i get some more parts



i know i have small fingers
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:39 PM   #40
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Thats awesome man! Yeah I would defiantly do that flange but I have the perrin rotated uppipe. I just bought a 44mm Tial VBand wastegate so now all I need is a turbo. Really thinking of the AGP 50 Trim.
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:49 PM   #41
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Any pictures in a car?


As for the Turbo height for various kits...

Here is Dug-e-Fresh's TXS kit. (Note the PERRIN rails in relation to the turbo)


Here is my car with a 30r and Perrin rotated kit. Note, also PERRIN rails in relation to the turbo.


Here is my car again with a P&L rotated kit. Note, PERRIN rails were directly in the way of the intake so they were replaced with Aeromotive.
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:13 PM   #42
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CKxx: Very nice!! Thank you for posting the pics of the different setups! Very helpful. I love how the TurboXS kit sits. It sits higher and is more visible when you pop the hood!
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:16 PM   #43
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question man! Where did you wastegate set with the Perrin uppipe? To the right of the turbo? Also does everything clear?
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Old 07-22-2010, 12:17 AM   #44
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I don't seem to have any pictures of that. I don't recall have any clearance issues.
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Old 07-22-2010, 12:07 PM   #45
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Ya those old rails were never meant for turbo kits. We changed them so the inlets were at the front, just before we released the turbo kit. If others do have this issue, they must about 5 years old or so, and you just have to flip the whole rail system 180 degrees then your good.

Love that NA intake manifold and green boost tubes!
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:36 PM   #46
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Ya those old rails were never meant for turbo kits. We changed them so the inlets were at the front, just before we released the turbo kit. If others do have this issue, they must about 5 years old or so, and you just have to flip the whole rail system 180 degrees then your good.

Love that NA intake manifold and green boost tubes!
Thank you.

My rails, unfortunately, were the same on both sides. The thought of flipping them had occurred to me, but I would have ended up with the same issue. It's not really much of an issue anyway since those rails were the old old old old model.

Best pic I have of rails/lines: (and my excessive use of AN fittings)
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Old 07-23-2010, 07:36 PM   #47
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If someone could mass-produce that with a matching DP I think it would be quite popular.
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Old 11-02-2010, 09:55 PM   #49
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That up-pipe to turbo adapter is the best thing ever... Someone needs to start making them!

TurboXS makes them but they only sell it in a 2 thousand dollar kit, I have begged them to sell me only that peice but they wont do it .
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Old 11-04-2010, 01:12 AM   #50
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Ditto on that! I would buy it for sure
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