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Old 06-17-2010, 11:56 AM   #1
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i have done a fair bit of research and i have decided that im going to be getting a 98 Subaru Legacy GT in stick. i was wondering if there was anything that pops out that i might want to know. i will be buying a high mile car (100K-130K) ish

spending about 5,000 and it needs to last me until i get my money for the STi im getting next year.

This will be my first car (Not my first time driving stick, learned in a geo metro lol)

this is what im thinking tiny.cc/subaru1
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:56 PM   #2
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head gasket failure indicators / service records (air bubles in coolant tank, oil residue in expansion tank, "thermostat" issues + blips in temp guage, coolant + oil smells)

clutch slave cylinder issues (stuck pedal when hot / summer)

throwout bearing and tranny case snout wear, clutch judder/shudder/slip

main seals, timing belt, water pump / WP o-ring seep+leak

tick tick tick lifter noise

oil drips, consumption

step it up, drop into the PNW and buy a sweetheart of a 99 2.5GT with all the right stuff and all the service history, records, maint, and details you deserve with a high mileage used Subaru enthusiast purchase...
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:14 PM   #3
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Head gasket.

Head gasket.

Head gasket.

Especially the bubbles in overflow tank.

Dear lord if only I'd have read up on the '99 Outback instead of the '96...
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Old 06-17-2010, 07:54 PM   #4
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head gasket failure indicators / service records (air bubles in coolant tank, oil residue in expansion tank, "thermostat" issues + blips in temp guage, coolant + oil smells)

clutch slave cylinder issues (stuck pedal when hot / summer)

throwout bearing and tranny case snout wear, clutch judder/shudder/slip

main seals, timing belt, water pump / WP o-ring seep+leak

tick tick tick lifter noise

oil drips, consumption

step it up, drop into the PNW and buy a sweetheart of a 99 2.5GT with all the right stuff and all the service history, records, maint, and details you deserve with a high mileage used Subaru enthusiast purchase...


if your leggy is still for sale in november your selling it to me...i miss my 97 dammit!
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:09 PM   #5
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I wouldn't pay 5000$ for one,, at best 2500$.. for a GT . I bought mine for a bit over 2k 2 years ago and it's still running solid!
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Old 06-21-2010, 11:47 AM   #6
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I wouldn't pay 5000$ for one,, at best 2500$.. for a GT . I bought mine for a bit over 2k 2 years ago and it's still running solid!
im trying to get the most usage out of the money i do spend on it because when i get my 04 STi in about a years time i will be giving it to my sister. i just dont want her to be the one to have the brunt of the bills and like said before the headgasket is a problem and i know its not fun to replace on a boxer...
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Old 06-21-2010, 11:49 AM   #7
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i forgot to ask! is the head gasket a problem with the engine or just a faulty design with the gasket itself?
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Old 06-21-2010, 01:27 PM   #8
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i forgot to ask! is the head gasket a problem with the engine or just a faulty design with the gasket itself?
It's a faulty design with the gasket itself, once you replace it with the newer design gasket, hardly nobody has an problem with it. The only people that do are the ones that swapped out the headgaksets without getting the heads machined (after experiencing a failure.) and overtime theres seeping because fo warped heads, etc.

If you're looking for more reliability then performance (which the GT is a bit for, being the 2.5L engine) I'd recommend going for the 2.2L version,they have the same headgasket used as the 2.5l so sometimes they do blow it, but they do it at a very less proportioned rate; supposedly. Plus it'd be cheaper to find one, since everyone assumes GT means performance (ideally it means grand tourer.)
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:01 PM   #9
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I'd recommend going for the 2.2L version,
for long life and reliability, go for a 2.2L swap. i did it. and with the 4.44 final drive you will still be pretty sporty. only at the top end will you notice the difference, passing another car on a 2 lane road at 70 mph.

your ideal donor ej22 is from a 95 auto trans car (auto trans cars have the necessary EGR system). drops right in and runs like a champ. also, it is a non-interference engine.

second to that, a 96 ej22 auto trans, you will need the y-pipe. also non-interference.

third, 97 - 98 (maybe 99) ej22, (almost all of these have EGR,) and you will need the y-pipe.

usually you can pick up a 2.2L engine and replacement seals, timing belt and all other timing parts for less than 600$. labor to install varies from $0, if you do it yourself, to $1000. it only takes a day if the shop has done it before.
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Old 06-26-2010, 03:16 AM   #10
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as you read b4, head gasket. and yeah the 2.2 is reliable as hell. i have one that had 210K on it and another that has 120k on it. cheers on picking up a GT.... but spend 3000 max. 2650 if the HG wasnt done yet. and dont let the dealer BS you. make sure you check everything.

BUT DONT SWAP THE 2.5 FOR A 2.2 if u are, then just buy a damn L and save your money.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:58 PM   #11
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as you read b4, head gasket. and yeah the 2.2 is reliable as hell. i have one that had 210K on it and another that has 120k on it. cheers on picking up a GT.... but spend 3000 max. 2650 if the HG wasnt done yet. and dont let the dealer BS you. make sure you check everything.

BUT DONT SWAP THE 2.5 FOR A 2.2 if u are, then just buy a damn L and save your money.
If anything i would just get a 2.0L EJXXX Turbo motor! :P
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:37 PM   #12
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Another 2k and you've got a WRX if you search around.
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Old 06-27-2010, 09:20 PM   #13
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Another 2k and you've got a WRX if you search around.
yeap, I've seen WRX's go for as low as 4-6k. Hell I saw an STi sell for 9k, abused though, but nothing a good 3k couldn't clear up.
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Another 2k and you've got a WRX if you search around.
insurance is a large factor and the intense abuse that a 6K million mile WRX has been through is just to much to hand down to my sister when im done.

The suspension would be cooked, gearbox synchros and clutch would be cooked, the engine would have been over spun and not to mention the turbo would be needing a rebuild.. oh and the timing belt. LOL i just realised that im living true to my name!...

i would do a legacy gt swap because i could find a low mile or even a rebuild motor for cheap and not worry about what the more than likely 17 year old original owner did to the car. that and i wont get a ticket every 60 feet.

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Old 07-02-2010, 05:09 AM   #15
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I'd sell my 98 gt limited for $4k. I'm looking into a 2005 gt limited now.
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Old 07-02-2010, 04:01 PM   #16
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I have one sitting in my yard, but it needs head gaskets (lol) and possibly a new engine. Oh yeah, and I hit two deer with it so it has front end damage.
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It's a faulty design with the gasket itself, once you replace it with the newer design gasket, hardly nobody has an problem with it. The only people that do are the ones that swapped out the headgaksets without getting the heads machined (after experiencing a failure.) and overtime theres seeping because fo warped heads, etc.

If you're looking for more reliability then performance (which the GT is a bit for, being the 2.5L engine) I'd recommend going for the 2.2L version,they have the same headgasket used as the 2.5l so sometimes they do blow it, but they do it at a very less proportioned rate; supposedly. Plus it'd be cheaper to find one, since everyone assumes GT means performance (ideally it means grand tourer.)
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yep we have a 98 gt wagon loaded out its at around 150 thousand, i wish we had the info on spotting the head gasket problem though when we bought it because we didnt even get all the way back home before it reared its ugly head. it was about 1100 to have a shop do it to( i would but with work kids and a needy wife yea i almost have some time left .........................almost), i am however getting sick of the damn shops and i saw cherry pickers on sale so i may just break down and tell the wife look either quit complaining about the cost of a mechanic or im buying the tools i need and i will be unavailble the next few weekends and whenever the the cars break down.

our other subi is a 2000 forester great car, but at almost 190 k the bearing on the idler pully for the timing belt went out it jumped 1 tooth and bam all the valves down 1 side bent forsure on the other side i dont know yet havent gotten that far. 25 bucks a valve at the machine shop though.
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yep we have a 98 gt wagon loaded out its at around 150 thousand, i wish we had the info on spotting the head gasket problem though when we bought it because we didnt even get all the way back home before it reared its ugly head. it was about 1100 to have a shop do it to( i would but with work kids and a needy wife yea i almost have some time left .........................almost), i am however getting sick of the damn shops and i saw cherry pickers on sale so i may just break down and tell the wife look either quit complaining about the cost of a mechanic or im buying the tools i need and i will be unavailble the next few weekends and whenever the the cars break down.

our other subi is a 2000 forester great car, but at almost 190 k the bearing on the idler pully for the timing belt went out it jumped 1 tooth and bam all the valves down 1 side bent forsure on the other side i dont know yet havent gotten that far. 25 bucks a valve at the machine shop though.
Wow, rip off. 400$ just for valves? go to a better shop.

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My valve job and timing belt was about $350 at cost done at home. I think that included all the pulleys as well. $400 might be high but maybe he meant $25 per 4 valves.
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