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Old 06-21-2010, 06:13 PM   #1
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I waxed my car this weekend. Two different coats.
First Meguiar's swirl X and then Meguiar's Tech 2.0 wax.
After the car was waxed it felt like a glass table, smooth.
Today I was at the gas station and ran a finger across my paint and if feel like fine sand paper.
Is this the was wax is suppose to feel like after it sits for a couple of days? I'm not a pro at detailing and took the challenge on myself.


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Old 06-21-2010, 06:17 PM   #2
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You didn't clay your paint before you waxed it, so you essentially waxed onto of the deep down dirt.

Also, how long did you let the NXT cure on the paint? I always let it sit for at least 30 mins before I remove it.

Was the car parked outside the entire time the entire time?

These all can affect the longevity of waxes.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:23 PM   #3
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No I did not clay before I waxed, but I did wash.

I let it cure as I applied onto the car. Started with the hood and worked my way towards the back. As I finished the back I came back up front to remove it. Did it this way for both the swirl X and the wax. When I waxed it, it was parked in the shade. I do on the other hand park outside as I do not own a garage. Only on the weekend the car is exposed to really bright sun light as I park in my parking garage at work.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:46 PM   #4
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No I did not clay before I waxed, but I did wash.

I let it cure as I applied onto the car. Started with the hood and worked my way towards the back. As I finished the back I came back up front to remove it. Did it this way for both the swirl X and the wax. When I waxed it, it was parked in the shade. I do on the other hand park outside as I do not own a garage. Only on the weekend the car is exposed to really bright sun light as I park in my parking garage at work.
Ah, that'll do it.

What I usually do is apply the NXT, then I go around and clean up the wheels, dress the tires, wipe down the windows and polish up the exhaust tip and THEN remove the NXT.

Also, parking it outside will make a huge difference. When it gets cooler at night and everything gets that fine layer of condensation on it, well that's what you're feeling on your paint. If you washed it, I'm betting that it will still feel smooth. Not to mention the fine layer of dust on your paint now from being outside in the elements.

You can apply layers of NXT on your car as long as it's 24 hours apart. Maybe wash it again and apply a new layer of NXT, the way that I described above and see if that helps.
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NXT = Swirl X? or Wax?

I'm kinda confused.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:57 PM   #6
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NXT = wax.

Look into meguiar's clay kit if you like the brand. It'll go a long way in making your paint feel even smoother. But since clay takes everything off your paint, you'll need to wax it again after.
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Old 06-21-2010, 09:15 PM   #7
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No I did not clay before I waxed, but I did wash.

I let it cure as I applied onto the car. Started with the hood and worked my way towards the back. As I finished the back I came back up front to remove it. Did it this way for both the swirl X and the wax. When I waxed it, it was parked in the shade. I do on the other hand park outside as I do not own a garage. Only on the weekend the car is exposed to really bright sun light as I park in my parking garage at work.
....just to clarify, polishes generally should not be left to dry on the paint as you would most waxes/sealants. You apply/buff and then wipe off. ....working small areas/sections at a time.
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^ yes the only product you should let dry is the wax. all else you buff out while its still wet. work in small sections.

claying removes a lot of your wax layer (protection is then gone).

and regarding the original post. nxt 2.0 is a pure wax. if youre lazy and dont wanna clay i suggest a cleaner wax. this has properties that remove impurities from the clear coat. if you wanna use a pure wax like nxt you should clay your car. you can get away with a few washes/waxing afterwards, but dont go too long without claying. (how often should you clay? depends on how much you drive and your area... but once or twice a year is fine for me) if you decide to go with the cleaner wax route... meguiars has been around forever

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Old 06-22-2010, 10:11 AM   #9
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Thanks for all the imput guys. Much appreciated! I will redo the whole car this upcomming weekend if weather decided to cooperate here in Chicago. We keep having severe thunderstorms and its hard to get anything done when it come to waxing or detail a car. So caly bar then polish with small sections at a time, followed my wax should give it a really nice shine!
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Thanks for all the imput guys. Much appreciated! I will redo the whole car this upcomming weekend if weather decided to cooperate here in Chicago. We keep having severe thunderstorms and its hard to get anything done when it come to waxing or detail a car. So caly bar then polish with small sections at a time, followed my wax should give it a really nice shine!
Depending on the existing condition of the paint (or your the time you have available), you may not need to polish. Clay treatment and then a wax can do the trick if you're paint is in good shape already.
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Depending on the existing condition of the paint (or your the time you have available), you may not need to polish.
^^^^ ....this. However, the same logic applies to claying. The simple answer to the question of "when should I" is: "As often as necessary". Proper assessment of your finish and knowledge of how these products work (and their purposes) is the only way you’ll know whether you can benefit from their use (or if they are “necessary”).

The following is a collection of link I put together last year. There are several articles within that cover these topics in more detail and should help:

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Old 06-22-2010, 11:53 AM   #12
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I waxed my car this weekend. Two different coats.
First Meguiar's swirl X and then Meguiar's Tech 2.0 wax.
After the car was waxed it felt like a glass table, smooth.
Today I was at the gas station and ran a finger across my paint and if feel like fine sand paper.
Is this the was wax is suppose to feel like after it sits for a couple of days? I'm not a pro at detailing and took the challenge on myself.


Some information would be much appreciated.
I'm confused by your process. You said you "waxed" your car with two coats.

Swirl X = Polish
Tech Wax = Wax/Sealant

Did you work in Swirl X or did you just apply it and remove it? Polishes need to be worked in so the abrasives can remove the defects in the clear.

edit: Just read your last response. Now that you said you're redoing your car this weekend, I would suggest the following:

Wash with Dawn (to remove all previous coats of wax and degrease surface)

Claybar (to test if necessary, take a plastic bag and place your hand in it and wipe across the paint slowly using very light pressure, if you can feel bumps then it needs to be clayed).

Wash again (if clayed)

Wipe car down with 50/50 Isoprophyl Alcohol and water

Polish (if you have swirl marks, if not just use a cleaner like suggested. Polishing removes small amounts of clear coat [micrometers at a time], and you should only do it 1-2 times per year)

Wash

Wax
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Wash with Dawn (to remove all previous coats of wax and degrease surface)

Like dish washing fluid? I know it removes grease and all but REALLY!?!?!
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car washing solution has special properties to not strip your car of the "grease" aka your wax~. if you use dish washing solution like dawn, it is designed to remove all grease!
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30 minutes is a bit overkill for an OTC wax. Curing happens after the product has been removed. Also, I don't believe you can effectively layer NXT wax since it has cleaning additives in it. Applying additional layers will only ensure coverage.
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i dont like exposing my car unprotected to hard hose water after claying. (re-washing) i think its sufficient giving a good wipe down using detailer and clean microfibers
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i dont like exposing my car unprotected to hard hose water after claying. (re-washing) i think its sufficient giving a good wipe down using detailer and clean microfibers
....you can do it either way (wiping down as you go).
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Like dish washing fluid? I know it removes grease and all but REALLY!?!?!
....there are better products for this task but Dawn is a suprisingly good, effective, OTC solution that a lot of people use.
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I don't see why you would need to wash the vehicle again after claying before waxing if you used a quick detailer as lube, unless you used it excessively and there is a lot of left over residue. They do sell paint cleansers made to remove cleaning chemicals and prep the paint before waxing, but they're typically used after polishing.
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the clay and lube leave behind that residue. but i just use microfibers and detailer to get it off.
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This is an excellent thread. I have never used Dawn as a de-greaser when washing. Awesome!
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the clay and lube leave behind that residue. but i just use microfibers and detailer to get it off.
....the lube is essentially a detailer in most OTC kits so there is usually no need to even introduce another product into the mix. I simply re-mist the area and wipe it down.

As long as you work cleanly, you can clay the whole car without having to re-wash it as Vew mentioned. Personally, I find re-washing a waste of time IMO/IME. After polishing is a different story. Sometimes I find it easier to re-wash using one of my APC's to remove the oils, residue and dust. ....it just depends. It's all a matter of preference though and if it works for the user, then that's all that matters in the end.
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This is an excellent thread. I have never used Dawn as a de-greaser when washing. Awesome!
....while I prefer other products, I've used Dawn a few times and found it to be a relatively effective product remover. Most dressings and waxes are pretty easily tackled by it although some sealants can require multiple washes before all traces are removed.
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I was thinking about this thread last night. I washed and waxed my Mazdaspeed on Saturday night (6-26) and yesterday on my way past it in the garage, the paint still feels smooth and slick.

I applied NXT by hand and let it cure on the paint for 30-40 mins and wiped it off by hand as well (I usually do both with the DA buffer) but it was late, I didn't want to wake my 4 month old twins.

So I think it's being out in the elements overnight with the condensation. My car sits in a garage overnight but has been parked in the sun outside @ work for 8-9 hrs a day since then.
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