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Old 07-01-2010, 04:20 AM   #1
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Okay, so to cut a long long story short, I have an 03 Sonic Yellow WRX I'm trying to replicate the JDM STi with. Some of my recient modifications included getting the STi scoop w/ splitter, foglamp covers, and STi wing. The problem I'm running into is the shop I have been taking my car to complains that the car is too sun-faded to be able to match perfectly and yet, the colour of the sonic yellow WRX is more "orange" really than it is yellow when you REALLY get close and personal with it. The shop has taken the scoop back 2x and the wing 3x because they keep painting it and it never seems to match...

So, is there a way I can REALLY restore the paint on this car? I removed the SUBARU and WRX badge from the trunk ( everything except the Impreza badge ) and they leave a pretty good impression on the trunk as well due to this fade. I seriously need some help guys. Should I just ***** at the paint company I'm tired of them failing and want to take it somewhere else, or, would restoring the paint on my side make both sides win?

If someone has a REALLY good paint restoration story, I'm killing to hear it. Even if it's time consuming I'm willing to give it a shot. I have seriously gotten down on all 4's with a toothbrush with this car to make every inch spotless, claybar, and hand wax, and although pretty, never seems to "bring out that original yellow"...
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Old 07-01-2010, 07:25 AM   #2
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original paint job around 7k for a perfect job...good luck
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Old 07-01-2010, 05:37 PM   #3
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02/03 WRXs had horrible paint on the hood scoops, mirrors, bumpers and wing. Basically all the plastic parts on the car fade alot quicker and in most cases don't match the paint.

Every that I've detailed has been faded bad (02-03 only, the 04+ seems to be fine for the most part)

Here's an 02 Blaze yellow that I've detailed a few times. Each time, I gotta restore the paint.

I would go to a better bodyshop. If they can't color match correctly, then they shouldn't be painting. I wouldn't let them near my car after all that.













Even after the detail, the F/R bumpers don't match, and it was like this from the factory, I remember meeting this guy/seeing this car back in 02 and it was off.

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Old 07-01-2010, 06:08 PM   #4
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^That job looks superb btw, the issue I'm having is the other way around however, the hood scoop was repainted, as well as the wing, and they are much brighter than the factory paint on the car.

What products do you recommend or using to get these results that you've had with your detailing on that Blaze Yellow WRX?
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:17 AM   #5
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^That job looks superb btw, the issue I'm having is the other way around however, the hood scoop was repainted, as well as the wing, and they are much brighter than the factory paint on the car.

What products do you recommend or using to get these results that you've had with your detailing on that Blaze Yellow WRX?
OIC. Yeah, that's the paint shop not knowing how to paint. get a new bodyshop.

I used Meguiars Dual Action Cleaner & Polish on that car. Those parts were polished 2-3 times to get the final pics that I posted there.
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Old 07-02-2010, 12:34 PM   #6
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Okay, so to cut a long long story short, I have an 03 Sonic Yellow WRX I'm trying to replicate the JDM STi with. Some of my recient modifications included getting the STi scoop w/ splitter, foglamp covers, and STi wing. The problem I'm running into is the shop I have been taking my car to complains that the car is too sun-faded to be able to match perfectly and yet, the colour of the sonic yellow WRX is more "orange" really than it is yellow when you REALLY get close and personal with it. The shop has taken the scoop back 2x and the wing 3x because they keep painting it and it never seems to match...

So, is there a way I can REALLY restore the paint on this car? I removed the SUBARU and WRX badge from the trunk ( everything except the Impreza badge ) and they leave a pretty good impression on the trunk as well due to this fade. I seriously need some help guys. Should I just ***** at the paint company I'm tired of them failing and want to take it somewhere else, or, would restoring the paint on my side make both sides win?

If someone has a REALLY good paint restoration story, I'm killing to hear it. Even if it's time consuming I'm willing to give it a shot. I have seriously gotten down on all 4's with a toothbrush with this car to make every inch spotless, claybar, and hand wax, and although pretty, never seems to "bring out that original yellow"...
....this is why most shops will blend into the adjacent panels. It can be difficult to get a 100% match. A talented painter/shop may be able to but it depends who you have around you.

If you feel you're paint is oxidized, try polishing a test section near one of the painted components. Use low tack painters tape and section off a small area (say no bigger than 1'x1'). Test your products in this area so you can see what differences they may in contrast to the new paint as well as the old. You can use a paint cleaner as suggested or a polish like Meguiars Ultimate Compound, Scratch-X or Swirl-X (in order of aggressiveness from more to less). These are all consumer versions of Meg's SMAT (Super Micro Abrasive Technology) products. ....the same SMAT products like M105 & M205 that are so popular among professionals and enthusiasts alike. They work well by hand or DA. UC will leave very slight micro-marring/hazing when used by hand so you will need to follow up with something like Swirl-X. Here are two articles on those products:

The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products
The SMAT PACK - Everything you ever wanted to know about Meguiar's SMAT products...

When you get the finish on your test section to the point where you want it, remove the tape. If you have halogen works lights, these will help highlight any scratches/blemishes in the finish while you're working to assess your progress and after to highlight differences. ....I would also check it out in the Sun. Incandescent, LED, flourescent and other lighting have advantages in themselves in pointing out specific flaws in paint. Anyhow, a test section will give a good contrast between the corrected area, the old paint and the new. You will then have a good idea of what and how long it will take to correct the entire car.
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:06 PM   #7
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Good paint shops know that there is this wonderful paint chip book printed by every major paint brand/system, most call it color variation book. In it there will be roughly 2-4 PAGES of Yellow with approx 30-50 color chips on a page.

What the painter does is take the "core color code" and then takes the variation pages out to the vehicle in both direct sun light & under shop lighting to find the BEST possible variation. then, as said before they will still need to blend onto adjacent panels to get the color "perfect".. & it will never be 100% perfect without a complete respray.

Also, a newer technology is a special camera that takes a close up shot of the faded color & then using the computer data base it searches for the correct variation. DuPont & PPG both use these alot in high volume paint supply houses.

I personally would go to DuPont, PPG, Sherwin Williams, Sikkens etc the major brand paint systems, look for a local paint supply house that carries the lines listed above. Then go to the paint supplier as them to match it for you. Then recommend a local painter that does accurate color matching.

A complete respray, in the same color (no jams, no under hood work) will run you $3-5,000 depending on the cost of materials. Add on top of that any body work, dents, dings, wavy panels, any base body imperfection repair costs.

So, yes a complete redo can be up toward $7,000 depending on the condition of the car.

I am just about to get my '04 WRB Wagon back from the painter this week. I will have right at about $7,000 in mine & I had to replace all the front sheet metal, both passenger doors, & minor repairs on every other panel. It is NOT show-car level. I didn't want that. It is better than OE. Polished out slightly better etc.

Hope that helps.

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