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Old 07-14-2010, 11:18 AM   #251
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Yep. Do you know Fran? You should see turbo going on the red vette.
i've met him a couple times, but don't really know him. i have a friend that knows him. we were up there a couple weeks ago, and yea i saw the turbo, it's ridiculous!
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Old 07-14-2010, 11:23 AM   #252
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i've met him a couple times, but don't really know him. i have a friend that knows him. we were up there a couple weeks ago, and yea i saw the turbo, it's ridiculous!
I know Fran. I went to school with him. That turbo going on the red vette is insane! I think I am putting one on my neon
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Old 07-14-2010, 03:52 PM   #253
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power per dollar a v8 is the way to go... also take a look at a c5 zo6 ...you can get them for about 20-25k if you look around. A zo6 handles pretty good and will rape bolt on sti's/evos ...trust me, ive seen first hand over 100 times
I have 25K into my 2.5 Franken build and I can assure you a zo6 will be in my rearview. Just buy an old car, build it piece by piece, mod by mod till you get to your desired goal.
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:52 PM   #254
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I have 25K into my 2.5 Franken build and I can assure you a zo6 will be in my rearview. Just buy an old car, build it piece by piece, mod by mod till you get to your desired goal.
Wait so you have 25k into your car not counting it's cost and the motor your running is a 2.5 shortblock and 2.0 wrx heads.
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:01 PM   #255
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Would the 4B11 be considered proven yet?
not yet
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:09 PM   #256
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I have 25K into my 2.5 Franken build and I can assure you a zo6 will be in my rearview. Just buy an old car, build it piece by piece, mod by mod till you get to your desired goal.

Throw $5k into the Z06 and see how you do
My best friend has an 04 SRT10 with a Paxton Novi that makes 700whp on 91 pump running out of injector.

Just an example
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not yet
Don't they have a ringland issue as well?
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:02 PM   #258
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Throw $5k into the Z06 and see how you do
My best friend has an 04 SRT10 with a Paxton Novi that makes 700whp on 91 pump running out of injector.

Just an example
yea i was going to say. stock z06 is no match for a built 2.5 but if you put some money in the vette, its game over... but only from a roll. from a dig, i dont think it would be much of a match atleast until the vette catches, but then again, thats what radials and slicks are for
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Old 07-14-2010, 10:59 PM   #259
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This is what $2000 (+tires) spent on a C6 Z06 looks like. You can get one of these for around $40k now.

This was also built by Race Proven Motorsports. I believe it still hold the record for cam only C6 Z.

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Old 07-14-2010, 11:10 PM   #260
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http://www.junauto.co.jp/democar/gdb.../index.html?en

Go ahead and call JUN a liar yourself then.The JUN Hyper Lemon car is by far my favorite car of all time. I truly think this beast would rival the HKS CT230 if it was brought back and updated a bit.

Yes the car uses a TD06H 25G turbo and I almost bought the kit just because this car ran it, but I learned it comes stock from Greddy/Trust with a 8cm hotside and the 10cm would have to be custom ordered and would cost quite a bit more. The final thing that pushed me away was the use of an up pipe adapter that creates a bottle neck toward the up pipe side of the turbo. The turbo also uses a 3 bolt hotside which is more common for Nissans and would limit the turbo's that could potentially be swapped in its place. JUN's is obviously crazy custom and doesn't have this issue.
Not that I'm calling them a liar at all. From what I read they say "stroker kit." That to me means they stroked the EJ20. They say 100mm so I'm like... sleeved EJ20 block???


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Old 07-14-2010, 11:22 PM   #261
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^^^^^^^^

I've got various magazines with that car in the "specs" section it always says: Motor --> EJ25

Maybe something about the extra stroke got lost in translation?
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Old 07-14-2010, 11:25 PM   #262
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rb26dett> 2jz > 4g63 > sr20det > Ej207 > F20c > Ej257 >>> 13b>>>>>>>>>anything honda
You must be new to the game... That is utter bull****, wat basis are u even using to compare? My gt3076 1.6 cast piston honda 333whp, 12psi, 91 octane, 2 years now, lets see any of the above motors do that...
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Old 07-14-2010, 11:53 PM   #263
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Would it be a surprise for an EJ to last two years running a 3076 at 12psi?

I strongly suspect there are EJ-based cars here that have been running that turbo at higher boost (and making considerably more power) for longer than 2 years. In fact I think you'd have a hard time finding anyone running a 3076 in an EJ at less than 15 psi.

BTW, I have to wonder where he'd rank the LS1 in that series.
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Old 07-14-2010, 11:56 PM   #264
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You must be new to the game... That is utter bull****, wat basis are u even using to compare? My gt3076 1.6 cast piston honda 333whp, 12psi, 91 octane, 2 years now, lets see any of the above motors do that...
Any of those engines will do better than that.
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Any of those engines will do better than that.
...except the EJ.
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Old 07-15-2010, 12:01 AM   #266
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...except the EJ.
...333whp on a gt3076r?
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Bone stock STi engine 2 years on 22psi gt35 power and run like a top when it was removed for my 2.7L stroker. "Its all in the tune" is where I place my bets. BTW Tim Bailey is my tuner of choice.

Its funny where I read that subies just cant rev, now I think the fundamentals are there as a ej257 is a 79mm stroke with 99.5mm bore vs the 4g63 86mmX86mm. With the shorter stroke of the ej you would think revs would come easier but alas there are very few subies doing 10K.
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Old 07-15-2010, 12:17 AM   #268
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...333whp on a gt3076r?
Scale up the HP/L. It's over 520 if my awful math skills serve me right.


As for the hondas, there is a dude in my area with a rusty EG civic and 150k mile B18 non-VTEC. He slapped on a used "ebay" turbo kit from craigslist. His WHOLE CAR cost less than my pistons, but I've watched it go mid/low 11s (w/slicks) about 80 times, and make another million street pulls.

I'm just saying that they (hondas) can do more than most people think they can as long as a non-idiot is doing the mods.
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Old 07-15-2010, 01:53 AM   #269
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^^^^^^^^

I've got various magazines with that car in the "specs" section it always says: Motor --> EJ25

Maybe something about the extra stroke got lost in translation?
Them saying "stroker" was what got me to think it was not a 2.5L. A 79mm crank isn't anything fancy. ah ya.... wording...
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Scale up the HP/L. It's over 520 if my awful math skills serve me right.
you'd also need to scale up the turbosize along with the increased displacement to keep it proportional.
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Wait so you have 25k into your car not counting it's cost and the motor your running is a 2.5 shortblock and 2.0 wrx heads.
I'm wondering the same thing. I know I have about $7k less into my entire build including car, drivetrain and suspension.
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Old 07-15-2010, 12:07 PM   #272
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obviously the 4G63 will be easier and cheaper to hit your goals in, however it is much more rewarding when you do it with a EJ motor. I have debated getting an EVO for the past 3 years but I have always stuck with the Subie platform. The way I see it is like this:
Having a 600whp EVO is not a big deal, its been done thousands of times and its not a challenge. When you take your 600 hp EVO to a Mitsu meet no one will care because they will be more interested in the 800whp-1000whp evos. Now having a 600whp sti is very impressive because you dont see them everywhere, having a 10 second sti is an accomplishment..........having a 10 second evo is just another 10 sec evo.

So I if you want easy and cheap power, and be liike every other evo owner and get a evo. If you want something rewarding and satisfying that hasn't been done by everyone and their mother then get the suby with a built EJ
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Reposting this since it was at the end of the page a few pages ago.

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Having turbos of similar size does bring the power output of both cars closer.
This right here is the key. The Evo makes awesome power with few bolt ons because the turbo is bigger. If I put an Evo sized turbo on my V7 EJ207 then it'd probably make close to the same power on pump and E85 as well. Hell, I'm at 297whp on the factory vf30 and stock injectors now with a basic "stage 2" setup on an EJ207.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1987131

The fun part is my car truly is a $25k car including purchase price and all mods. Running street tires it can keep up with C5 Z06's on slicks around Mid-Ohio. Now the C6 Z06 or the modded C5's will still pull away on the straights, but my point is the little ej207 really is a better comparison to the 4g63 than the ej257.
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Wait so you have 25k into your car not counting it's cost and the motor your running is a 2.5 shortblock and 2.0 wrx heads.
25K car, all mods, new paint job. 2L WRX heads PNP + valve job by Chimera Performance. Don't think you realize how extensive my car is.

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you'd also need to scale up the turbosize along with the increased displacement to keep it proportional.
Haha, fair enough. I'd still bet it can't take it.
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