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Old 07-07-2010, 08:18 PM   #151
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Ok, point made, Im done with Phatron and his idiocy.

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YouTube- 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V Runs 10.58@127MPH!
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:19 PM   #152
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:21 PM   #153
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FWIW, I'm pretty sure Evolution is known for blowing up customers cars.
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:42 PM   #154
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Still off topic...
Not really. OP wants a high HP drag car, any V8 platform is the ticket.

Unless you really like spending tons of money to run 12's.

Even for OP's desire to track (and to some extent, AutoX), any N/A V8 platform is far, FAR more reliable than an Evo/STI at the track. Head over to motorsports and see how many people have problems with brakes, blown motors, bearings etc. Im not saying it doesnt happen in a Mustang, Im just saying for being a toy, its far less expensive than an Evo or an STI to fix when it breaks. And lets be honest, pushing 600whp, its not a question of if, but rather when.

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Christ, thats so much better.
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:56 PM   #155
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What a douche.
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Old 07-07-2010, 09:27 PM   #156
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Not really. OP wants a high HP drag car, any V8 platform is the ticket.
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. To answer some of the comments:

Why not just get a Z06, mustang, etc? Around here I think it's impossible to drive more than a mile without seeing a mustang. Vettes are a little less common, but not much. EVO's and STi's are very rare in comparison. Also, I've always liked imports and the turbo/awd combo is fantastic.
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Old 07-07-2010, 09:37 PM   #157
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Your point? I addressed that as well.

But, good luck finding parts for your broken 600whp unique car.
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Old 07-07-2010, 09:40 PM   #158
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Not really. OP wants a high HP drag car, any V8 platform is the ticket.

Unless you really like spending tons of money to run 12's.

Even for OP's desire to track (and to some extent, AutoX), any N/A V8 platform is far, FAR more reliable than an Evo/STI at the track. Head over to motorsports and see how many people have problems with brakes, blown motors, bearings etc. Im not saying it doesnt happen in a Mustang, Im just saying for being a toy, its far less expensive than an Evo or an STI to fix when it breaks. And lets be honest, pushing 600whp, its not a question of if, but rather when.
Dude I ran 12's on my then stage 2 wrx and if you want to get serious the mustang motor is ****. For the money it would cost to buy a new mustang you could build a better balanced/faster LSx FC/FD or S chassis swapped car.
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Old 07-07-2010, 09:46 PM   #159
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if you want to get serious the mustang motor is ****.
Yes, thats why there are so many of them running American Iron while Subarus and Evos run 3 laps of Time Attack and sit on the sidelines.

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Old 07-07-2010, 09:55 PM   #160
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You guys are all getting off topic. The topic is between the 4g63 and the ej25, which has been a pleasure to read what the educated people have to say in here. Now may be a little off topic becuase I would like to here about the 207 compared to the 4g63.

Looking at dyno charts for the 4g63 power keeps climbing up into the revs. To make sure I am on the right path. It makes more power because the heads flow increadably, the motor revs to some rather nice numbers allowing it to flow a bigger turbo up on the top end of the power band making numbers.

Now if that is correct why wouldn't one compare the 207 to the 4g63. Same displacement and doesn't the V8 207 have the best flowing heads with the ability to rev >8k rpms? If that is the case why isn't the 207 putting out some nice numbers with a rather bigger turbo. And for good measure a 100shot of NOS to stage the car at the line and make some boost.
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Old 07-07-2010, 09:58 PM   #161
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Dude I ran 12's on my then stage 2 wrx and if you want to get serious the mustang motor is ****. For the money it would cost to buy a new mustang you could build a better balanced/faster LSx FC/FD or S chassis swapped car.
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Yes, thats why there are so many of them running American Iron while Subarus and Evos run 3 laps of Time Attack and sit on the sidelines.

You are totally mistaking what he said. He said the mustang motor does suck but under the pretense the LSx is way better and cheaper to make money. Not that it is crappy compared to the ej series motors.
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:03 PM   #162
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What's so special about the mustang?
a Lot of NOS
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:06 PM   #163
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all this being said you can build a 10 sec notchback mustang for under 20 grand....depeding on what you spend on a roller i bet you could slap a strong 11 sec car for under 10 grand. again that is intended to go straight and is geared for 1/4 mile. certainly not a daily driver.

can we move on past american iron...as usual?

i am also interested in what a built v7 207 is capable of...but i guess thats already in the archives.
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You guys are all getting off topic. The topic is between the 4g63 and the ej25, which has been a pleasure to read what the educated people have to say in here. Now may be a little off topic becuase I would like to here about the 207 compared to the 4g63.

Looking at dyno charts for the 4g63 power keeps climbing up into the revs. To make sure I am on the right path. It makes more power because the heads flow increadably, the motor revs to some rather nice numbers allowing it to flow a bigger turbo up on the top end of the power band making numbers.

Now if that is correct why wouldn't one compare the 207 to the 4g63. Same displacement and doesn't the V8 207 have the best flowing heads with the ability to rev >8k rpms? If that is the case why isn't the 207 putting out some nice numbers with a rather bigger turbo. And for good measure a 100shot of NOS to stage the car at the line and make some boost.
Because we never got the EJ207 in a production car in the US. The Ozzies would be the place to look for answers there. For sure in factory trim the EJ207 is superior to the EJ257 and bare minimum is an equal to the 4G63.
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:10 PM   #165
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You guys are all getting off topic. The topic is between the 4g63 and the ej25, which has been a pleasure to read what the educated people have to say in here. Now may be a little off topic becuase I would like to here about the 207 compared to the 4g63.

Looking at dyno charts for the 4g63 power keeps climbing up into the revs. To make sure I am on the right path. It makes more power because the heads flow increadably, the motor revs to some rather nice numbers allowing it to flow a bigger turbo up on the top end of the power band making numbers.

Now if that is correct why wouldn't one compare the 207 to the 4g63. Same displacement and doesn't the V8 207 have the best flowing heads with the ability to rev >8k rpms? If that is the case why isn't the 207 putting out some nice numbers with a rather bigger turbo. And for good measure a 100shot of NOS to stage the car at the line and make some boost.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Yes, the 207 is really what should be compared to the 4g63. I had the priviledge of tuning a jdm 207 car and (even though power tapered) it was awsome to rev the thing to 8250
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chris's?^^^power tapered?
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Any good sites for the ozzies and their subarus haha? Aso is my thought process spot on for my other paragraphs? ^^^
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rexnet.com.au

I cannot join their site , it seem that yahoo, hotmail, and gmail accounts are not acceptable.

I search a little and it seem that they are quite successful with installing iron sleeves on the EJ motors, and they have talks about forged CNC blocks .
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Not really. OP wants a high HP drag car, any V8 platform is the ticket.

Unless you really like spending tons of money to run 12's.

Even for OP's desire to track (and to some extent, AutoX), any N/A V8 platform is far, FAR more reliable than an Evo/STI at the track. Head over to motorsports and see how many people have problems with brakes, blown motors, bearings etc. Im not saying it doesnt happen in a Mustang, Im just saying for being a toy, its far less expensive than an Evo or an STI to fix when it breaks. And lets be honest, pushing 600whp, its not a question of if, but rather when.



Christ, thats so much better.
You realize you're referring the OP to a brand new, overhead cam ford, right.... Not exactly the "cheapest" route.....
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Yes, thats why there are so many of them running American Iron while Subarus and Evos run 3 laps of Time Attack and sit on the sidelines.


Look bro I don't know what you do for a living, but I've worked in a shop that had a number of high horsepower builds almost directly across the street from Shelby in Las Vegas. I've also worked at Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch which is a stop in the Redline Time Attack series. I know cars and I'm not here to make fanboi comments.

The OP is looking for a 600 horsepower EVO/STi, not a Mustang or 'Vette. The new GT is pushing over 30k and used z06s are still in the 25k range unless you can find a deal. This is why I suggested a LSx swapped car, which is better in every aspect including price. If I had to pick between the STi and EVO I'd just pick the one that I liked better.

Everyone is putting the 4g63 on such a high horse, and yes I do agree it's a great motor but so are the motors that Subaru offers. If the OP is buying this car with the intention of building it he could virtually do whatever he wanted. He could shove a flat 6 out of a Tribeca or SVX much like what Perrin and quite a few over guys have done now and have tons of horsepower and torque. The motor bolts right up to the stock mounts, so what's really better than that for a show or even a track event? The F6 and a STi 6 speed or PPG 5 speed with a good sized turbo would be unreal in any GD chassis car, could you imagine that in a GC? Op if you're going to spend the money grab a GD shell and do this swap!

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horsepower (hrs'pou'ər)
One unit of horsepower is equal to the power needed to lift 550 pounds one foot in one second. This unit has been widely replaced by the watt in scientific usage; one horsepower is equal to 745.7 watts.

The ET method
This method uses the weight of the car and the time it took that car to travel 1330 feet ( mile).

The formula is: hp = weight / (ET / 5.825)3

The Trap-speed method
This method uses the weight of the car and the speed at which the car completed the quarter-mile run.

The formula is: hp = weight * (speed / 234)3


i vote sleeved v7 207 complete swap in a 95 impreza l with big cams cosworth intake rotated 40r id 2000's meth rotated tb and aps front mount. oh and gutted and caged with dual bosch 44's and 12mm jdm oil pump...just off the top of my head.
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^haha, just an awesome build off the top.
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i vote sleeved v7 207 complete swap in a 95 impreza l with big cams cosworth intake rotated 40r id 2000's meth rotated tb and aps front mount. oh and gutted and caged with dual bosch 44's and 12mm jdm oil pump...just off the top of my head.
Mighty close to my build. I just have a better engine in it (my opinion ). Imagine a EJ207 but with a 4" bore, BIG custom Kelford cams, Precision 750 FMIC, BUT just a stock manifold and 35R for now

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Mighty close to my build. I just have a better engine in it (my opinion ). Imagine a EJ207 but with a 4" bore, BIG custom Kelford cams, Precision 750 FMIC, BUT just a stock manifold and 35R for now



but, will your ever finish it?
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