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Old 07-11-2010, 09:12 PM   #1
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Hey Guys,

So at 96,000km i got my clutch replaced at Wolfe subaru (with an OEM clutch)

Im now at 116,000km and this morning (and all today) my clutch is acting very weird.

-Normal travel
-Normal freeplay
(so i dont think its a problem with the master/slave hydrolics)

But its almost impossible to get into gear, and i have to let the car roll a bit to engage.
Also, when it does engauge the clutch pedal must be pressed RIGHT to the floor (to shift)


What might be wrong?
The service was done 1.5years ago, 20,000km.
What can i do??
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:14 PM   #2
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Could it be gear/synchro issues? Is it the same for all gears or only certain ones? Did you see the parts they used prior to installation? Was it a refurbished clutch or new?
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Old 07-11-2010, 10:39 PM   #3
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It happens for every gear 1-5 and R.
It shifts, i just have to really force it in, and the clutch has to be pushed all the way to the floor.

no, I didnt see the parts before they installed them.

The invoice says:
"Replaced clutch and used updated bearing"
SCI560001 Reman clutch ASSY-19 Type: CCTR 243$
SE1011 Bearing Repair Kit Type: CRO 179$
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Old 07-11-2010, 10:54 PM   #4
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without looking at it, I say it's a clutch master cylinder. it's so common that I keep a spare at the shop just in case mine goes out again
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Old 07-11-2010, 11:08 PM   #5
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without looking at it, I say it's a clutch master cylinder. it's so common that I keep a spare at the shop just in case mine goes out again
either that or a leak in the hydraulic system.
check the CMC resovoir and make sure its got fluid in it. if not, top it off with dot 3 brake fluid.

If its right out, you'll need to bleed the system. this is best done with a friend. pretty easy though. but first find out where the fluid went. cracked flex-hose? loose fitting? missing a copper washer on the banjo bolt? or buggered master like bender said.
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Old 07-11-2010, 11:25 PM   #6
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just a question, when was the last time the transmission fluid was changed?
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Old 07-12-2010, 01:09 AM   #7
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Im not 100% sure if the tranny fluid was was done, but the 96,000km tune up was done by the dealer at the same time as the clutch was replaced. so if it is included in that... then it was done then.

So weirdest thing.

Last night car drove fine.
8am, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm the clutch was messed up and had to be pushed to the floor to shift.

10pm tonight rolls around, and the thing works 100% fine as before, clutch shifting nice and high, super smooth!! WTF
im so confused!?!
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Old 07-12-2010, 01:12 AM   #8
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They installed a Vampire Clutch, it only works at night.
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Old 07-12-2010, 01:59 AM   #9
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sounds like a clutch slave and it doesn't work well when weather is hot, have seen that before (but usually along with weird travel or sound etc)

also make sure your clutch fluid is in good shape / level, have seen low / no clutch fluid at the reservoir if the cap is removed ~ black dirty marks makes ppl think there is fluid in there, but there isn't....
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Old 07-12-2010, 02:47 AM   #10
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It should be Clutch Cylinder...
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Old 07-12-2010, 03:52 AM   #11
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Old 07-12-2010, 04:44 AM   #12
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i believe he sells subarus
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:20 AM   #13
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Or he's a Subaru who sells MENz.....
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:30 AM   #14
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Yeah, sounds like inconsistent pressure at the slave. I would bleed the system and wait for symptons to come back...
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:02 PM   #15
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sounds like a clutch slave and it doesn't work well when weather is hot, have seen that before (but usually along with weird travel or sound etc)

also make sure your clutch fluid is in good shape / level, have seen low / no clutch fluid at the reservoir if the cap is removed ~ black dirty marks makes ppl think there is fluid in there, but there isn't....
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Yeah, sounds like inconsistent pressure at the slave. I would bleed the system and wait for symptons to come back...
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Thanks for all the great advice!

So i checked the clutch fluid, and its totally full.

Today it shifted normally, then one time i went to shift and it would go into ANY gear, it just grinded. I eventually let the car roll and got it into 1st. After that the car Drove totally normally.

What would bleeding+refilling the clutch fluid do?
How hard is it to replace the slave? (cost?)
Any recommendations on where to go?
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:27 PM   #16
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oem slave cost around $130. did they replace your clutch with an oem one or a jobber?
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Old 07-12-2010, 08:17 PM   #17
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I tried to bleed and refill mine on my old RS when the clutch dropped to the floor and it wouldn't pump back up so that's when I had to get it towed and get the clutch slave replaced.
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Old 07-12-2010, 08:29 PM   #18
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They replaced my clutch with a "new one"... that after it was installed turned out to be a "subaru factory referb"

130$ for a OEM slave... ok i can deal with that.
-Is there an upgraded one i should get?

How hard is it to install?
should i get a shop to do it? (Sounds from Ken, like i should get a shop to do it lol)
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They replaced my clutch with a "new one"... that after it was installed turned out to be a "subaru factory referb"

130$ for a OEM slave... ok i can deal with that.
-Is there an upgraded one i should get?

How hard is it to install?
should i get a shop to do it? (Sounds from Ken, like i should get a shop to do it lol)
Just make sure you get the right style of clutch slave cylinder (pull/push). I don't think there is an upgrade version but the newer style slave has a damper built in.

Installation is simple, the hard part is bleeding the slave
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Old 07-12-2010, 08:35 PM   #20
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They replaced my clutch with a "new one"... that after it was installed turned out to be a "subaru factory referb"
Shops seems to try that. It makes a big difference whether it's a real oem one or jobber. When put side by side, the difference is really obvious.

I would get a shop to swap your slave just because I find it a pain to bleed the system.
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as far as i know subaru always goes with a factory remanufacturer one as the new one cost about 1.6x to 2x the price! some time they do cut corner by telling you it's new, but some do spend the time to explain why they used rebuilt; i have used both and subaru's reman ain't so bad (way better than jobber rebuilt, those are horrible).

bleeding the clutch system is hard, but u can probably have some fun and worse case is like Ken, have it towed and it will still be done :P

i will suggest you to replace the slave the earliest possible, it's better not to damage the tranny (synchro's) or shorten clutch's life just because of a faulty slave cylinder!
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Old 07-14-2010, 10:22 PM   #22
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Weird Twist...

When the clutch wont disengage/engauge... if i turn off the engine, and release the clutch and brake. Then start the engine again... the clutch (most of the time) will then work perfectly!!???

WTF?!?!
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Old 07-26-2010, 12:03 PM   #23
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****UPDATE****

So i went and got the clutch system bled, it seemed to fix almost everything (dont want to jynx it)

After i bled the system the pedal feel returned its now nice and firm, and shifting is smooth as ever.
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Old 07-26-2010, 01:27 PM   #24
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Well you threw us all off when you said Travel was normal at first!!!
There is no way the travel of the pedal is normal if there is AIR in the system!!!
but glad you found out why.
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