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Old 06-16-2002, 08:57 PM   #1
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Arrow MRT turbo-back review

A buddy decided to help me out and install the MRT turbo back exhaust system. My first impressions of the sytstem were that it was a very nice looking and well built system. It also seemed to be heavier than the stock system. I ended up getting the single tip muffler (hoped that I was getting the dual tip - but my fault I didn't confirm) The look has started to grow on me. It gives the car a stealthier look - very subtle.

We started ~ 1pm this afternoon...let me tell you if the day wasn't as nice as it was today and I was working on it myself I would've flipped. Headaches and unexpected problems galore! First off, one of the turbo bolts broke in half. Luckily there was a Sears hardware near by and off we went. Who knew that for one metric bolt and nut it would cost $2 - what a rip! We headed back and finished removing the downpipe and exhaust system. Next came bolting in the MRT downpipe. Both brackets (the one that attaches to the trans housing and the one in the center by the o2 sensor) seemed to welded on wrong - they didn't even come close to lining up! The brackets looked as if they were hand welded by guesstimating the placement. We tried about everything and ended up getting a cordless drill and drilled the hole bigger and oblong so that we could punch the screw through and line it up to the threads. After bout an hr to hr and a half the downpipe was on! With the muffler on the midpipe was last to go on. Guess what - the new stock gaskets I recently purchased don't fit. Ended up widening the holes to fit the bolts through, even then with it on the gasket was barely covering the exhaust outlet (apparently not as well as I had hoped as there is an exhaust leak). Not sure why a company would not supply proper gaskets for a system that is suppose to be bolt on, but who knows? I am going to end up calling the place where I purchased this from so they can send me proper gaskets to fit this system. We're not done yet to the story...lastly, seeing that MRT places their cat on the downpipe the use of the spring bolts from the stock system was not possible. We had to head out to the Sears Hardware once again and get 2 more sets of nuts and bolts - another $4.

The system is finally on! What was an easy 1.5hr job turned into 4.5hrs. Outside of the fitment issues and the leaking gasket(s) I am happy with the system. It is a VERY quiet exhaust and unless you have the windows down you can't notice it at all. The sound is an amplied stock sound without the unnecessary protrouding rumble. Mid-high range power is improved. The tip is a subtle 3" outlet - no fart can here.

Curious as to if anyone else ran into similiar problems? I would've expected better fitment from a company such as MRT, but maybe I ended getting one of the very few "lemons" that found it's way through quality inspection.

I should also add that my friend did about 99.9% of the work and that I was more of a psycho cheerleader on the sideline. Props to him for having the patience for this "project".

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

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Old 06-16-2002, 09:11 PM   #2
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Sounds like a typical exhaust install to me, especially when dealing with a downpipe. You should always confirm that the exhaust comes with all hardware or be ready to get new stuff when it comes in.
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Old 06-16-2002, 09:16 PM   #3
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All the Gaskets and hardware you had to get / make were included with my MRT exhaust. The two tranny mounting points lined up pretty well too. You do have to provide your own turbo gasket if you want a new one. You should contact your vendor and request gaskets ASAP.
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Old 06-16-2002, 09:57 PM   #4
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I had the same issue with the bracket to the transmission - it was off by at least 1/2 inch. Some bending and carbide work with a die grinder and got it to fit. No other fitment or hardware issues.
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Old 06-16-2002, 10:48 PM   #5
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I had the same issue with the bracket to the transmission - it was off by at least 1/2 inch. Some bending and carbide work with a die grinder and got it to fit. No other fitment or hardware issues.
i've done some odd installs this one took the cake...i have carbide deburring bits(in my tool box at work of coruse)....oh well, it works.

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Old 06-17-2002, 12:01 AM   #6
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I should also add that my friend did about 99.9% of the work and that I was more of a psycho cheerleader on the sideline. Props to him for having the patience for this "project".

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

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Was this "friend" of yours...Jeremy?!
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Old 06-17-2002, 01:16 AM   #7
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Was this "friend" of yours...Jeremy?!
Of course it was Ol Jeremy
I gotta get him to help me with mine next
Right buddy?
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Old 06-17-2002, 09:01 AM   #8
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Brett supplies all the required hardware with his systems.

He has had some problems with dealers in turn forgetting to send those bits with the kits though

Bolts and gaskets are included and I got them with mine
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Old 06-17-2002, 11:12 AM   #9
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I had the same problem with that bracket... After figuring it was just wrong to begin with, I bent it so that it fit. I had to bend it in two places though but it fit well after that.
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Old 06-17-2002, 02:42 PM   #10
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I think I have you beat on a up-pipe / down pipe install I did on a friends car (silver 2002 wrx)

Get this!

Uninstalling went very smooth seeing as I have done this before on my wrx. Got the factory up-pipe off and discovered that the egt sensor was cross threaded at the factory. Couldn't get the dam thing off. Striped the crap out of it! I decide to install the new Godspeed up-pipe and then go out to find a bolt that fit in the bung. Drove out 20 min to get to a Sears hardware and find the bolt with the specs given to me by several members on I club. Come back to put the bolt on....Doesn't fit at all! Take the up-pipe back off and go to 4 different stores looking for a bolt that fits. Nothing does! Next we went to a welding shop and had the bung filled in. Got some 2.2kilo ohm resistors from radio shack and did the egt resistor mod and put the up-pipe back in.

Now to the down pipe, also a Godspeed product. I was under the car for an hour trying to figure out why the dam thing wouldn't fit. During this I found out that the car had to be emissions tested soon, so I put the factory down pipe back on. The next day we found out the car didn't have to be tested until next year so I gave the down pipe another shot. I took the back transmission bracket off as it was getting in the way, or so it seemed. I come to find out that the flange that mounts up to the turbo is way off and that's why it will not go on. The bolt holes were off by as much as an 1/8th of an inch all the way around. So I put the factory down pipe back on AGAIN and waited 4 days to get a Stromug down pipe and then installed that!

Total time wasted: over 14 hours!

Seeing the smile on Chris's face after the first test drive: Priceless
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Old 06-18-2002, 06:34 AM   #11
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. Both brackets (the one that attaches to the trans housing and the one in the center by the o2 sensor) seemed to welded on wrong - they didn't even come close to lining up! The brackets looked as if they were hand welded by guesstimating the placement.
Nirmit
Can you reply me direct.
I suspect either of two things:
The hanger mount/s were damaged in freight (this has happened in the past)

OR
The engine pipe you got is for an early model WRX as these are slightly different

All our exhausts are made off the same jigged design, so if one was wrong they all would be, and we have shipped / sold thousands now..

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Old 06-18-2002, 06:37 AM   #12
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With the muffler on the midpipe was last to go on. Guess what - the new stock gaskets I recently purchased don't fit.
Nirmit
We supply detailed fitting info (4 pages) with all our kits and this also includes NEW cad plated, nuts, bolts and spring washers.
Also in this kit is new gaskets

Sounds like either they were lost or not shipped

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Old 06-18-2002, 09:39 PM   #13
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Brett,
Thanks for replying to this post. It really shows that you (MRT) are interested in customer satisfaction and the quality of your products. I had sent an email to Ben at your facility yesterday - I will forward the same email to you and await a response. Apparently the vendor, who will remain nameless at this time, has been notified of my problems and were to be in contact with you. I did not receive any hardware in my boxes - I went through all the popcorn too I don't think that I had received the wrong exhaust as the brackets were off ever so slightly but I could be wrong.

Thanks,
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Brett,
Thanks for replying to this post. It really shows that you (MRT) are interested in customer satisfaction and the quality of your products. I had sent an email to Ben at your facility yesterday - I will forward the same email to you and await a response. Apparently the vendor, who will remain nameless at this time, has been notified of my problems and were to be in contact with you. I did not receive any hardware in my boxes - I went through all the popcorn too I don't think that I had received the wrong exhaust as the brackets were off ever so slightly but I could be wrong.

Thanks,
Nirmit
"Client satisfaction is everything to MRT P"

I am glad Ben is assisting you already, this is his sole purpose, to respond to e-mails and clients needs and quotes

Please advise Ben the vendor

Re the brackets, please see if there is a part number sticker on the exhaust for me.

Is ev erything else ok?

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Old 06-20-2002, 06:46 PM   #15
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I have had great customer service from MRT in dealing with my MRT exhaust. I am really happy with my exhaust and Brett's support.

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Old 06-20-2002, 07:29 PM   #16
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I had the pleasure of listening to Punk's exhaust on the same day I met Brett Middleton. I was getting a competitors uppipe installed and he was very professional and friendly. The way he treated me was above what I would expect. I will definately be purchasing his turbo back exhaust (when I have money). Hopefully soon!
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