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Old 07-21-2010, 01:34 PM   #1
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Unhappy Cell Phone Advice: Work starting to monitor everything :(

I currently have a BB Bold 9000 and like it a lot. However, because the industry I am in is one of the most heavily regulated in Canada, Raymond James is required to track all texts, Yadira, emails, bla bla bla and keep it for 10 years!

Therefore, I'm thinking about just keeping a work BES data plan on the Bold but switch the voice and personal data plan over to another phone that won't be tracked.

I am on Rogers.

What do you guys suggest?

iPhone 3GS?
Blackberry (Which one?)
HTC?
Moto?

Wait for_____________ to come out...


For you guys who are in the same boat, what do you do with your two phones? Do you carry around both with you at all times? I'd rather not, but I'm not sure how else to do it...

Thanks for the help!

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Old 07-21-2010, 01:51 PM   #2
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I have two phones, but I don't carry around my personal phone anymore. I don't really care. Not like I'm doing anything illegal.
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Old 07-21-2010, 01:58 PM   #3
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Get any phone that can tether data as your personal phone.

Here is what I do in my specific case.

My work monitors internet bandwidth, so I just tether my iphone to my work computer. I physically disconnect the network cable and browse whatever I want, and then go back on the network (replug cable) when I check emails and send correspondence. Of course I clear cookies etc.

I also just tether the phone to my laptop if its convenient to browse that way.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:07 PM   #4
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I will vote for the new iphone.

Im iphone>blackberry personally...
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:31 PM   #5
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I will vote for the new iphone.

Im iphone>blackberry personally...
I don't think I would consider the iPhone 4... I'd wait for the iPhone 4.1 to come out so I don't have to worry about reception!
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:40 PM   #6
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Unless you do A LOT of surfing or inappropriate use, using the internet a few times a day (10 - 15 min) is usually ok with employers as long as it doesn't cause a work performance issue or your co-workers bitch.

why spend money if you don't have too right?
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Old 07-21-2010, 06:18 PM   #7
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Unless you do A LOT of surfing or inappropriate use, using the internet a few times a day (10 - 15 min) is usually ok with employers as long as it doesn't cause a work performance issue or your co-workers bitch.

why spend money if you don't have too right?
Some workplaces consider any internet use inappropriate...why do they even give us access I sometimes wonder
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Old 07-21-2010, 06:36 PM   #8
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Unless you do A LOT of surfing or inappropriate use, using the internet a few times a day (10 - 15 min) is usually ok with employers as long as it doesn't cause a work performance issue or your co-workers bitch.

why spend money if you don't have too right?
It's not really about that. The point is that everything that goes through my work phone is now tracked and stored for up to 10 years whether it's personal or business.

Why is it stored for 10 years? Because if I'm ever in a legal situation, the lawyers and regulators will go through absolutely EVERYTHING around the time of question that my firm has.

In my industry, you never send anything or receive anything you wouldn't want posted on the front page of the Globe and Mail. While keeping that thought is easy when working, personal stiff is totally different!

Therefore the point is to not mix the two, or at least not have my firm be able to track and store my personal stuff like all the love notes I send to my beautiful wife, or bad language/jokes/pics that go back and forth between me and my buddies!

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Old 07-21-2010, 08:02 PM   #9
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^ but technically then if you where in a legal implication couldn't whomever request you personal information as well, which cell company's keep a record of?

basically your company's policy is 10 years, I would find out what the cell company's like Rogers are legally required to keep incase of police incidents and so on. Could be nothing (doubt it but don't know) or could be 3, 5, 10? who knows.
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Old 07-21-2010, 08:24 PM   #10
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I have 2 cell phone.
work phone provided by the company I work for
personal phone that i pay for.

1) i like to keep a division between work and personal life
2) if work lets me go me, I still have my phone and all the info in it.
3) I disconnected my hard line at home 10+ years ago and a guy needs a home phone.

I vote for an android phone. I have one and really like the function and versatility.
if you have a lap top, check one that is 4g compatible that can be a wi/fi hot spot.


And if your worried about text/email, the cell provider has records that will be released to gov't by court order. Just sayin'..
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Old 07-21-2010, 09:22 PM   #11
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+1 for Android! i have one as well.. its very easy to use, easy to configure..

i'm assuming that his BB is connected through a Blackberry server (in house, not through cell providers) which could keep all info as long as they have the server.. we have clients like this and we control their blackberry (i.e., what apps they can install, track messages, etc..)
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:17 PM   #12
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My friend who's in an IT dept. had the same issue. Ending up going with one of those el-cheapo $17/mo. plan on a completely seperate phone. Phone's not that impressive either, but :/
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Old 07-22-2010, 01:36 AM   #13
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Actually looks like the iPhone might be an option.



Just got an email from my IT department clarifying what is tracked and what is not tracked.



Looks like the iPhone can work both ways. Work emails get tracked, but SMS's, and anything else personal does not!



Therefore, I probably won't have to carry around two phones with me!



They pointed out the iPhone, but it will probably work the same on any non-blackberry smart phone....


As I'm doing some research, it seems as though the HTC Droid Incredible is kicking some ass!

But I don't think we are getting it in Canada... at least not anytime soon...
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Old 07-26-2010, 11:34 AM   #14
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We'll I ordered an iPhone 3GS from Rogers... After doing some initial research on the iPhone 4 I decided to just get the 3GS.

However, I'm thinking that I might just wait for a month or two and get the iPhone 4 instead. Apparently all of the problems were with the very first batch, but SOME people who have been returning their defective 4's have received new ones that don't have any problems...

The iP4 really does have all of the features I want.... But I also want it to work!

I can't decide....

What would you guys do?
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Old 07-26-2010, 01:47 PM   #15
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I love my 3g iPhone. And if you get it from Rogers you'll be better off. My only complaint with the 3G is the service from Telus. They turn down the bandwidth for the phone users, and that leaves phone performance lacking. Everything else is great though, from the GPS to the internet and wifi access.

Be sure to look into jail breaking too.
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Old 07-26-2010, 01:51 PM   #16
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I love my 3g iPhone. And if you get it from Rogers you'll be better off. My only complaint with the 3G is the service from Telus. They turn down the bandwidth for the phone users, and that leaves phone performance lacking. Everything else is great though, from the GPS to the internet and wifi access.

Be sure to look into jail breaking too.
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Old 07-26-2010, 01:52 PM   #17
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It's not really about that. The point is that everything that goes through my work phone is now tracked and stored for up to 10 years whether it's personal or business.

Why is it stored for 10 years? Because if I'm ever in a legal situation, the lawyers and regulators will go through absolutely EVERYTHING around the time of question that my firm has.

In my industry, you never send anything or receive anything you wouldn't want posted on the front page of the Globe and Mail. While keeping that thought is easy when working, personal stiff is totally different!

Therefore the point is to not mix the two, or at least not have my firm be able to track and store my personal stuff like all the love notes I send to my beautiful wife, or bad language/jokes/pics that go back and forth between me and my buddies!

Jay

Welcome to my world which has been that way for years (Public Service).

Your company should have policies around what should be kept as record and what should not (transient records). if they don't yet, they will when data storage of millions of useless transient emails starts to cost hundreds of thousands in data storage costs. Usually the outlook records are copied to tape once per day. If we delete transitory emails (delete, empty deleted items, and delete the recover list) before the copy to tape they are gone for good. In fact we are REQUIRED to delete records of transitory nature for storage reasons.

We track emails and PIN messages, but I am not aware on how they can track texts. They are only stored on the carrier's servers and on your handheld. Someone correct me if I am wrong (and heaven help the person who ever reviews the texts that have come to my phone!)

C/N: Depending on how your system works, there should be a means to legally destroy transitory records. Don't panic yet.

Edit: Guess I was late to the party and your IT department already clarified it for you.
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You can always hide behind a proxy. But then again they will start getting suspicious why you are hiding behind a proxy -- lol.
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