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Old 07-21-2010, 02:15 PM   #1
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OK, so I saw a press release from Cobb stating they were discontinuing all versions of the AP for normally aspirated cars. This made me wonder what was going to happen to the Subie NA AP given RalliTek's involvement in the project. I've sent out some emails and here's what I've found out.

1) Cobb is no longer dissecting any NA ROMs. What this means is that if the Subie NA AP doesn't already support your car, it's never going to.

2) Cobb is no longer going to produce NA AP hardware. RalliTek currently has a bunch of them in stock, once this batch sells out, there won't be any more made.

3) RalliTek is going to continue of offer software and tuning support for the Suby NA AP for the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:33 PM   #2
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Yea thats sad, but nature of the beast. People scream and cry they want parts but when they finally come out no one buys it.

Having an 04 I was left out anyway ha
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:51 PM   #3
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hahaha ^^^^^ so true

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Old 07-21-2010, 03:17 PM   #4
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In all honesty (and this is just my opinion) I have no clue why the N/A guys would even bother with cobb. Its 600, then another 150-300 to tune it.

You can buy a tactrix cable for $160, and pay someone $150 to tune it and have the same logging and map switching capabilities. The only difference is, with the cobb you do not need a laptop to flash.

And if you just want to "set it and forget it" all you need is 150 for an OS tune.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:04 PM   #5
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I would love to do what STI Mikey just said, "set it and forget it".

But [09' 4eat] = buy a better car
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:19 PM   #6
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I would love to do what STI Mikey just said, "set it and forget it".

But [09' 4eat] = buy a better car
Even so, good info to know for future reference on scoobie noobies coming in asking for N/A tune options.

4EAT N/A = get anything and you win, but what can we do?
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:23 PM   #7
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In all honesty (and this is just my opinion) I have no clue why the N/A guys would even bother with cobb. Its 600, then another 150-300 to tune it.

You can buy a tactrix cable for $160, and pay someone $150 to tune it and have the same logging and map switching capabilities. The only difference is, with the cobb you do not need a laptop to flash.

And if you just want to "set it and forget it" all you need is 150 for an OS tune.
Well that is true in some cases but alot of people like to use it in different scenarios. Say when you want to valet your car it will put it in a sort of limp mode and I doubt you will be carrying your laptop to do this. Another example is you are on a road trip and get a CEL, well unless you have your laptop again to check it you will have to find a autozone to get it read.

There are pros and cons to both.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:28 PM   #8
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Here's the thing with all the expanded features of the AP: I know literally no one who uses them. Everyone *says* they want map switching. Maybe 10 people in the country actually do it.
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Old 07-21-2010, 06:12 PM   #9
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in all honesty my friend who has the cobb access port really sees a lot of benefits in it. limiting revs is a really cool feature. being able to change maps from a gas efficient one to an aggresive racing tune with out a laptop is really nice.
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Old 07-21-2010, 06:38 PM   #10
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Well to be fair it's not just the impreza that's N\A with accessport there's the civic si Mazda rx8 etc. Being that it's from 06-08 seems pretty fine. Not to mention that I have an AP getting ready to be mapped for supercharger and if rallitek or Sean I should say is willing to tune it thru that. Then I'm lucky then simple as that. I love my AP and sure all those with them aswell. Tuning will still be used by a shop aswell as software. Just no more models will be getting them c
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Old 07-21-2010, 06:49 PM   #11
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Here's the thing with all the expanded features of the AP: I know literally no one who uses them. Everyone *says* they want map switching. Maybe 10 people in the country actually do it.
Do not get me wrong, I agree with you totally. If I had one available for my car I would probably never require to switch the maps. Also I was never one asking for it, I thought it was silly idea for a car with out limits to really need such a fancy piece.
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Old 07-21-2010, 07:32 PM   #12
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Who cares? OS was always the way to go with these cars. Maybe it is just me but I didn't have enough cash on hand to buy a WRX, let alone pay $700 to buy a device to tune my N/A Subaru. I could buy a Tactrix cable for small fraction of the cost of the AP and still have money for a pro tune and a set of cams (and than some).
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Old 07-22-2010, 08:16 AM   #13
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Say when you want to valet your car it will put it in a sort of limp mode and I doubt you will be carrying your laptop to do this.
So you're going to drive your NA Impreza to a high society country club and then reflash in the parking lot before handing your key over so nobody goes tearing up the town in your not-quite-a-rocketship?

The whole multi map flashing thing is a little more than overrated, bordering on the unnecessary for NA Subaru owners.

$Accessport = $Tactrix Cable + $Whole New Laptop + $Lotsa Gas Money

Oh, snap! The truth is exposed!
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Old 07-22-2010, 08:29 AM   #14
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So you're going to drive your NA Impreza to a high society country club and then reflash in the parking lot before handing your key over so nobody goes tearing up the town in your not-quite-a-rocketship?

The whole multi map flashing thing is a little more than overrated, bordering on the unnecessary for NA Subaru owners.

$Accessport = $Tactrix Cable + $Whole New Laptop + $Lotsa Gas Money

Oh, snap! The truth is exposed!
Actually valet mode is set at 3500 rpm if you can't drive at that then somethings wrong..break in max RPM is 4000 on an EJ so whats the problem. Actually I switch maps pretty regularly..and was just in detroit for a week with no one looking after my car..great to know I can put a kill switch on it so the car won''t start. I even forgot I put it on when I hopped in to go for a drive lol. I love that lil thing and I ca ntune it with or with out a laptop... Plus its gona be very handy for tuning and logging with the supercharger to sent logs to SEAN...
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Old 07-22-2010, 08:56 AM   #15
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COBB is practicing good business why make a product for a market that doesn't really want it? Plus they see that OS is growing in popularity and for us Subbie N/A guys it is the best option. 4EAT subbies guys will get left out but how much can you polish a turn? COBB needs to focus on the money and that is within the turbo markets esp within the Subaru realm. This is also another perfect example of N/A subbies guys crying for parts only to not have the intention of buying them, in the end supporting the common argument of "BUY A WRX" or in my Case a LGT or Spec B
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:36 AM   #16
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This is also another perfect example of N/A subbies guys crying for parts only to not have the intention of buying them, in the end supporting the common argument of "BUY A WRX" or in my Case a LGT or Spec B
I have no money for parts for my entry level Subaru but enough for a new car.

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Actually I switch maps pretty regularly..and was just in detroit for a week with no one looking after my car..great to know I can put a kill switch on it so the car won''t start. I even forgot I put it on when I hopped in to go for a drive lol. I love that lil thing and I ca ntune it with or with out a laptop... Plus its gona be very handy for tuning and logging with the supercharger to sent logs to SEAN...
Again maybe it is because I have a pretty strict budget for myself but I can't justify the convenience of not needing a laptop/netbook that I already own with paying an additional $500 for a product.

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Old 07-22-2010, 10:29 AM   #17
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Actually valet mode is set at 3500 rpm if you can't drive at that then somethings wrong..break in max RPM is 4000 on an EJ so whats the problem. Actually I switch maps pretty regularly..and was just in detroit for a week with no one looking after my car..great to know I can put a kill switch on it so the car won''t start. I even forgot I put it on when I hopped in to go for a drive lol. I love that lil thing and I ca ntune it with or with out a laptop... Plus its gona be very handy for tuning and logging with the supercharger to sent logs to SEAN...
Re: 3500
"What's the problem?" I didn't say that there was a problem. I did imply that it was kind of silly to restrict RPM on a car that's not all that fast, even with full bolt-ons (which is the extent that most NA Subarus go). No valet is going to reenact Ferris Bueller with an NA Subaru, even if one was to get his hands on one.

Re: blah blah supercharger blah blah
Alert the media: We're talking NA here. For your rare (if ever?) application, if you're going to exclusively tie yourself to Rallitek, then it's a plus. If you bust that umbilical and actually have someone tune your car who is within a block of it (even yourself?), or God forbid dyno tune it, you're no better off. How long 'til you're supercharged, anyway?

I'm glad you're happy with it, but it's not exactly the difference between fighting with guns versus rocks.

The best thing about the NA AP was seeing the word "Tamagotchi" on NASIOC.
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Old 07-22-2010, 02:44 PM   #18
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Hate to tell you but being a former valet, trust me it does not matter if it is a minivan. If the valet wants to screw around they will try, I remember seeing a guy try and get a previa to do a burnout.
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Old 07-22-2010, 02:48 PM   #19
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Dude, minivan on 2 wheels. Epic lulz.
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:14 PM   #20
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I'm a bit confused. are you guys saying a 4EAT cannot be tuned in OS or that its pointless to tune it?
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:28 PM   #21
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I'm a bit confused. are you guys saying a 4EAT cannot be tuned in OS or that its pointless to tune it?
No, Cobb doesn't support the 4EATs and now is never going to.

Opensource already supports many 4EAT models and will continue to increase support as new ROMs are submitted.
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:35 PM   #22
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I'm a bit confused. are you guys saying a 4EAT cannot be tuned in OS or that its pointless to tune it?
Not at all. I have a 4EAT, and I was os tuned. Most people on NASIOC are OMGWTFBBQ about 5MT's not realizing that some people just like to not have push a clutch down every 5 seconds. Just make sure that you get a tuner that knows how to tune A/T cars because they are a different animal.
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4EAT trans just suck I can't think of a better way to put it the 5EAT has lots of potential.
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4EAT trans just suck I can't think of a better way to put it the 5EAT has lots of potential.
I'm patiently waiting to hear you try to substantiate this statement. No seriously...go ahead.
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I'm patiently waiting to hear you try to substantiate this statement. No seriously...go ahead.
What are you, 12?
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