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Old 07-27-2010, 10:59 PM   #1
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So I'm getting sti front and rear caps....I'd like to get them painted, along with my side skirts.

Should I DIY it or take them to Maaco? I would never let them paint my entire car and I can take these off and leave it with them while they paint them.

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Old 08-02-2010, 06:39 PM   #2
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In general, it doesn't matter who paints the parts.

The key to any successful paint-job, especially on non-metal parts (e.g. polypropylene; urethane) is preparation.

If they don't prep it the right way, the paint will eventually pull away/lift and then peel.

I purchased a new rear bumper cover from a local body-shop that they painted and within a few weeks, the paint behind the license plate pulled back and peeled. That I did not care about because you'll never see it.

Now a little over a year later, the paint is pulling back along the upper opening above the license plate, the RR lower part of the cover nearest the tow-hook and under both spats where the push-pins are located to hold the cover onto the car. I only discovered this after finally deciding to detail the car myself.

Preparation includes sanding and cleaning the surface. Since the side-skirts are also plastic (polypropylene) they must use a flex-additive in the paint as well as for the clear-coat. I would also think an adhesion-promotor would also be used in the process, but It's been a very long time since I did any body-work professionally.
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Old 08-02-2010, 06:55 PM   #3
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Thank you

I've seen some turtorials on here and I'm wondering if maybe I could pull it off with alot of preparation and patience.

I've seen places like paint scratch who sell paint but GEEEEEZE its so expensive. For the actual materials I could get them pro painted at some nice places.

any places that have the paint for less than 23 bucks a 12 oz can?
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:23 PM   #4
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This place has it all, not sure how cheap they are.

http://www.automotivetouchup.com/
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:58 PM   #5
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:09 PM   #6
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So technique for painting should go like this?

Clean
Sand
Primer/promoter combo (which one first?)
paint
clear

if there is a simple guide that would be awesome, but this is what I have gathered from other threads..they all seem to vary a little though ;(
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So technique for painting should go like this?

Clean
Sand
Primer/promoter combo (which one first?)
paint
clear

if there is a simple guide that would be awesome, but this is what I have gathered from other threads..they all seem to vary a little though ;(

souds good
i also want to try
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Old 08-03-2010, 09:26 AM   #8
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^^^

Using a gritty sand paper first then moving up to something a little finer. I know there is a thread on this, i google it all the time

Still figuring out if I should use a Primer Promoter combo...or each one seperately and if so which one comes first and where.

i assume it would be

primer
promoter
base paint
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Using a gritty sand paper first then moving up to something a little finer. I know there is a thread on this, i google it all the time

Still figuring out if I should use a Primer Promoter combo...or each one seperately and if so which one comes first and where.

i assume it would be

primer
promoter
base paint
clear
To confirm your confirmation of the sequence of what you are doing... blah blah blah. There are a million and one lists, guides, and directions you can easily find and follow all over the internet, the labels of the products you are using etc.

Anyone can do prep. Prep guys are the grunts in the paint world. The trick is in the application. How much is too much? How fast is too fast? Too close? Too Far? This is what makes painting an art form. An art form which I continually fail at. No matter how many times I have built myself up and prepared for the next paint project I have never had results that I was totally happy about. Still not giving up though, practice makes perfect right?

Anyway good luck with your sideskirts, post pics of the results and then again a year from now.

btw, I put wrx skirts on my STi and had them professionally painted. My painter told me they were a major PITA. Nicest paint on my car though, too bad they are sideskirts.

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Old 08-04-2010, 11:04 AM   #10
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I know, thats where I started and got a basis of what to do...from other links around this great site

Thats where I realized how much it costs to buy paint, and sometimes its actually cheaper or the same price to get it done at a pro shop.

I'm considering all options right now. DIY or find the best local price and job.

I always over search before committing to a single thing
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Painting:
-Sand with 220 grit sand paper
-400 grit
-600 grit
-Clean with alcohol then tack rag
-Duplicolor adhesion promoter (it's for plastics)
-Spray with sandable primer
-Wait 15 minutes
-Sand with 400 grit
-Repeat the above 2 steps until you get what you want
-Clean with tack rag
-Spray base coat (it must be applied DRY not wet coat)
-Wait 15-20 minutes
-Tack rag, and spray another coat. Keep doing this until you have full coverage.
-Apply another coat over the last
-Spray clearcoat (nice and wet)
-Wait 10 minutes and apply another coat (DON'T TACK THE CLEAR)

FYI, it's promoter THEN primer, not the other way around. Promoter is used to soften up the plastic/surface to promote adhesion.
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I'm all over this

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You spray the primer, wait, sand, then spray again. Not spray, sand, wait, sand like I said in my post.
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man, this thread is full of bad info, I hope you aren't going through with doing it yourself based on what others have said. You'd be better off just taking them to a real shop and picking them up a week later and live happy ever after, the parts you're talking about should only be about 2-2.5 hours of labor or roughly $120-200 depending on the shops rate. You're gonna have to pay double that if you dork up the parts before deciding to let a pro do it.

a side note about rattle can anything: Unless it's a one time use can with a plunger which mixes two components (a+b) then you are using a non catylized product which will never have any chemical resistance. rattle can = crap, it's basically what they painted cars with in the 1920's-50's put into a nice handy easy to use spray can for consumers that don't know better.

By the time you buy all the stuff to do it correctly, you wont be saving any money

The way these types of parts (assuming raw plastic) are done in my shop is:
Scuff with Standox plastic prep cream with a wet gray scotch brite, rinse and watch for any spots where water is beading up. re-scuff areas where water is beading. when part is scuffed correctly water will stand on the part rather than sheeting off or beading. go over the part one more time with the gray scotch brite and water without the creme to remove any residue. dry the parts with an air blower, then wipe with wyp-all towels and a wax&grease remover, wipe again with wyp-all towels and a water based cleaner for removing water borne contaminants and to reduce static. gently wipe with a tac rag, then spray with standox plastic prime. allow to dry 5-10 minutes depending on temp. Then tac again and start with your basecoat, then clear.
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I did my front lip using paintscratch.com It was very easy and the paint matches almost perfectly. The secret for me was to do it very slowly. If I let the paint get wet looking, it started to blob up. I used adhesion promoter I bought at Autozone along with the clear coat. Cost me ~$75 to paint which I found to be half the price of quotes I received.
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Old 08-10-2010, 12:46 PM   #16
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I did my sideview mirrors with paint from www.touchuppaintonline.com. I shopped around and their prices were the cheapest, the color also matched perfectly.

If your side skirts are ABS Plastic, then just paint it yourself, it's easy. If it's fiberglass, it might require A LOT of prep work trying to sand out all the little holes. I know that for some fiberglass body kits, the factories would just cover everything up with primer to look smooth, but when you paint over it, all the little holes show up and you have to sand all of them out.
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