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Old 08-02-2010, 03:21 PM   #26
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The point is we don't know if that was the sole reason for pulling the gun, if it WAS it was because he was attempting to evade (even though he most likely didn't know the dude was a cop right away). But due to the sound be low and not seeing everything we really can't make that determination.
actually, we sort of do know; because he wasn't charged with anything else it is reasonable to assume the gun was out purely to assert control/scare the rider.


a badge can do that, with considerably less danger to all parties involved.
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Old 08-02-2010, 06:51 PM   #27
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Can you please explain to me what danger a drawn gun with safety on aimed away from the rider and towards the side of the road/ground poses? The cop reacted, his badge is probably slung from his neck under a shirt/jacket and as he got out of the car the bike started to pull back as though to pull away...no biggie...you guys make it sound as though the cop was about to lay out some rounds on the guy. He was speeding, he got caught, he has video tape of the incident and the cops are charging him with that (which is what the issue should be here).
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Old 08-02-2010, 07:08 PM   #28
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The issue here was the cop not consenting to the video being posted online in the first
place, not weather reasonable force/tactics were used. Personally I beleive the cops should be held to a higher standard. They should have to stand up and be accountable for their actions while on the job and this video is just another example of a
cop doing his job. How he does is job is what's up for debate. Does he come out drawing his weapon when none of us know 100% if it's justified or not, yes. Is anyone harmed, no. Could it have played out a million different ways, yes.. But that doesn't mean the
cops dont deserve the scrutiny. We have seen dozens of times
recently when cops act harsher than needed, Or doing something that is breaking the laws that they are there to protect and serve to just being power hungry. Sure it's not all of them but now that more and more of these allegations and proof are coming to light it's not wrong to question what they do to try an make it better/safer for everyone.
In any job there are performance reviews and updates to procedures. I'm sure some legit ways of doing things are right, and I'm sure some need to be reviewed and updated in the interest of everyone

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Old 08-02-2010, 07:18 PM   #29
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Left lane hoggin'?.............BANG! problem solved.

Forgot to use your turn signal?..........BANG! another problem solved.

Getting in a quick text message in a school zone...........BANG! yet another problem solving solution.

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Old 08-02-2010, 09:14 PM   #30
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Can you please explain to me what danger a drawn gun with safety on aimed away from the rider and towards the side of the road/ground poses?
well for one thing, it doesn't take long for that gun to become unsafed aimed and fired, especially in the hands of a trained professional. i'm just saying he didn't need to pull it at all.

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The cop reacted, his badge is probably slung from his neck under a shirt/jacket
thats a great assumption. would have been easy to show then, eh?

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He was speeding, he got caught, he has video tape of the incident and the cops are charging him with that (which is what the issue should be here).
exactly my point. there is no reason for a law enforcement officer to draw a weapon for a routine traffic stop. a badge and ticket writing pad works well enough.



now if the guy runs, or displays some aggressive behavior, i am in the gun-out-ready-to-shoot-some-perps camp. but he didn't, he backed up when a normal looking sedan almost hit him, and a guy jumped out of it with a gun.

i'm not sure about US law, but i would think its perfectly legal to videotape anything you want as long as you're not invading anyone's privacy etc. etc. putting it on the internet may be another matter, but thats for the cyber police i think.



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Old 08-02-2010, 09:48 PM   #31
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I'm actually pretty tired of cops getting bashed all the time. I know and you know that there are some "bad cops" but by FAR the majority are good people doing a very tough job.
Hey we do have something in common after all

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f137/t138745-cops-people.html
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Old 08-02-2010, 09:50 PM   #32
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ours are no better, driving around drunk, murdering people in the airport because they have a stapler....(i guess a stapler is a deadly weapon too eh?)....
Want some granola with that civil unrest, hippy?
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:41 PM   #33
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Hey we do have something in common after all

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f137/t138745-cops-people.html
Good post sir.
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:06 AM   #34
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+1! Me too...
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:18 AM   #35
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I've found that almost everyone faces this dilemma, on different levels. Cops, Teachers, and even politicians have it particularly hard as they are in public service; which means little pay, lots of visibility and judgment. But you even see this in NASIOC where a vendor (new or old) makes a mistake and people are all over them as if they've never tripped; sometimes it's even just rumors and nothing done wrong.

Anyway this is a quote from Theodore Roosevelt (American president) that I find fits these situations; often called the "man in the arena" quote. I have it by my desk at work for when the people on the internet suck.
It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.
Quote and emphasis taken from Theodore Roosevelt wikiquote.

I felt like there's something to be said about 16 years for video taping, the cops response is debatable but most people aren't out there doing a cops job every day.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:07 AM   #36
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Great quote and good post ClarkBdub. For all we know the cop may have spent the day busting crack heads or might be returning from the station after investigating a drive-by and wasn't about to take chances. He may have spent the previous week rounding up notorious gang members and getting them off the streets, saving someone's meek grandma from a home invasion...whatever, yet we choose to dedicate numerous threads (I'm sure there is more than one on other boards) to him pulling his gun as a first response rather than fishing out his badge from behind his coat/shirt or wherever it is.

I really would STRONGLY recommend people on this board to do a ride along if you can find a way to do it. I don't think they offer them to the public anymore and not even sure if you have an "in" if you can do it. I've been on a few in the past and it GREATLY changed my perception of law enforcement. I still drive like a dick sometimes but when I get pulled over I am polite, courteous and don't feed them bullISH. Funnily, I haven't had a speeding ticket for well over three years (used to get a minimum of one per year).
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:36 PM   #37
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when I get pulled over I am polite, courteous and don't feed them bullISH.
why not act this way at all times to all people? cop or not


i understand everyone ****s up, its human nature...my problem is they are not accountable....someone correct me if I'm talking out my ass, but the last i heard the cops who were caught drinking and driving were on basically a paid vacation...they werent fired, they are still getting paid....thats what pisses me off about it....

i think since they are in a position to enforce the law they should be held to a much much higher standard than your normal "civilian"....not given a paid vacation....

for comparison, a engineer in management in my office, very high up, very very valuable to the company, he practically built this office from the ground up was caught doing something borderline unethical...he was fired on the spot, no severance, nothing, he is also facing consequences from APEGBC and may lose his stamp indefinitely.....that is accountability....he didn't get some pansy ass paid vacation....

i dont feel sorry for police officers, if they cannot handle the job they do, if they think its too tough, and they have to resort to pulling a gun, being a douche, being tazer happy to an obviously distressed and troubled man in an airport and killing him then maybe they shouldn't be a cop.

and yes, there are some very good cops....but the few bad ones, and the lack of consequences they face make me lose faith in police officers as a whole. I have always treated cops with respect, not because they are a cop, but i believe you should treat everyone with a certain level of respect (aside from talking **** on VIC...lol). I have very rarely been treated with respect by police officers. I have witnessed cops treat people like absolute ****....rough people up..etc....part of being a cop is dealing with the scum of society, dealing with low-lifes, addicts, criminals, etc.....however they should deal with these people with respect, because if they dont, they are no better than the people they are dealing with....cops should be model citizens, they should be examples....cause that's what we are paying them to be.....i have clients which i despise, complete douchebags, but i swallow my pride and act like they are the most awesome people in the world....because thats my ****ing job

and as per clarks comment, of course people in public service have a high level of visibility and judgement....because the public is paying their wages (which are not low btw....actually paid very very well in comparison to those in the private sector, unrealistically well for the most part - there are exceptions of course)....I want to be able to pass judgement on people in which I pay my money to through taxes...Just like if I am hiring someone to mow my lawn i want to see how well of a job they are doing. If people in the public sector dont like that, then they can **** right off and get a job where they are not being paid by my ridiculously high taxes.

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Old 08-04-2010, 04:46 PM   #38
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the best post!
i think the majority of ppl will agree with You!
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i think the majority if not all of ppl will agree with You!
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Old 08-04-2010, 05:15 PM   #40
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Jeff for Prime Minister !!!!
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Old 08-04-2010, 05:33 PM   #41
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Old 08-04-2010, 05:58 PM   #42
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the cops who were caught drinking and driving were on basically a paid vacation...they werent fired, they are still getting paid....thats what pisses me off about it....
That pisses me off too, but thats not the cops, that's the administration.
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ditto jeff, ditto.

police should remind themselves they are serving the people, and should conduct themselves in public as such.


and videotaping in public should be perfectly legal. he didn't invade the privacy of anyone else. thats sort of how public domain works. if you were sight-seeing and happened to get a snapshot of someone being arrested, would you get jail time? what about news cameras recording the police at work, does the news cameraman get charged with a felony?

this charge is just one more step towards the police state. soon people will be powerless before the police, totally at the mercy of people who break the rules they're supposed to uphold.

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Old 08-04-2010, 07:29 PM   #44
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Ditto Jeff,

Peace officers symbolize upholding the law so they should be held accountable to a MUCH higher standard. We pay them relatively well to "serve and protect" us.

Interestingly, I've taken a "ride-along" years ago and loved the adrenaline of speeding through traffic with their police lights on just to catch up with other cops for break time.

I thought "Rushing Rambo" jumping out of the ghost car waving the gun was lucky not to shoot his own toe off. It doesn't take much to discharge a cartridge accidentally, even for an experienced person if not careful.
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I know I'm asking to get flamed but the easiest way to deal with cops is to leave the situation as quickly and quietly as possible. I have been on both sides of this coin as I dated/lived with a very amazing lady who was at the time entering the RCMP. on the side of the cop they are people too. but my faith in the human race is pretty small, so I chose to use my freedom to exit the situation before the officer has a chance to take interest in anything but my taillights.

It is not Illegal to UNKNOWINGLY run from the cops, if you can reasonably say you had no idea they were following you. you were just going home.......

which bring me back to the subject of this thread;
come on people!!!!! if filming in public can send me to jail and driving can get me shot I think I would rather have the hells angles keep the peace than the cops! I have and will continue to film any damn thing I please, especially anytime I have to deal with police/insurance/building code or whatever other government agency. documentation of official interaction serves to protect both parties and ensures that authorities are acting responsibly. I believe every cop should be recording all of their interactions with the public both thru car cams and personal recorders. just like telemarketing, Your conversation may be recorded for training and quality control....LMAO


charging this dude is just proving how impotent the maryland police really are. how can you say a guy on a bike with a helmut cam is affecting a wiretap like intrusion on a police officers conversation? holy ****! can I borrow your law stretcher..... the DA who brings these charges should be disbarred for miscarriage of justice.
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also I have had a lethbridge city police officer pull his weapon on me after I was already cooperating, my rental was parked on the side of a street with another car, me and some friend were standing nearby catting and waiting for our other friends to arrive when the paddy wagon rolls by. they go by and then stop, back up and turn on the sideview lights, getout and come towards us. after a short polite conversation they ask whos cars they are. I answer that its a rental that I am responsible for. so he asked to see my driverslicence and insurence.
knowing my rights I politely inform the officer that I know he is not intiteled to ask for that as I am not opperating the car and it has proper plates displayed, BUT I will show him just to be cooperative. so I go over to the car, open the passanger door and sit in the seat with my feet outside the door, and proceed to produce the papers from the glovey. I handed it to the officer nearst the door and just then his partner on the other side of the car starts trying to open the door, its locked, but the window is down slightly, now I'm no first timer but never unlock a door for a cop. I put my hand in my lap and turn away from him, at this point he start screaming at me to put my hands up and get out of the car. so i turn my head to look at him and he's got his gun out and pointed at me...... so I stand up very slowly and in a calm strong voice with my hand on my head I said "I am an unarmed, cooperative, civillain"
after some time and more than a bit of bogus bull**** the roidmonkey had to let me go as I had done nothing at all to deserve his attention, but do you think I could even file a complaint, the officer at the station basicly laughed at me when I went in the next morning to try.
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do you think I could even file a complaint, the officer at the station basicly laughed at me when I went in the next morning to try.
this is how cops behave in third world countries
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he is being punished for video taping an undercover police officer who is part of an undercover sting towards gangs. Now that his face is shown, all his time is wasted and he may now be in danger
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he is being punished for video taping an undercover police officer who is part of an undercover sting towards gangs. Now that his face is shown, all his time is wasted and he may now be in danger


A) Go-Pro is not small device and apparently was mounted on his helmet so that cop has to see it.


B) Why he blow up like you said his cover for some random dude on bike.
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