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Old 06-15-2013, 07:51 PM   #51
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They could bring it back with around 375hp and ~$40k to compete against the Z. Going up against Godzilla and NSX is unnecessary. The Supra name just doesn't have as much charisma.
Just because it doesn't have "as much charisma" to you doesn't mean it can't in the future nor does it have to in order to "compete" with anyone or anything. There's more than one kind of competition obviously.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:56 PM   #52
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The Supra / 300ZX are both GT cars (Grand Tourers)
RX7 is a sports car
GTR / NSX are poor mans exotics.

Completely different cars.

I expect a Supra / 300ZX to have some luxury and space inside while traveling at ludicrous speeds. The RX7 should handle like a dream even if it's a bit spartan. Meanwhile the GTR / NSX should be giving exotic cars worth twice as much a run for their money.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:02 PM   #53
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The Supra / 300ZX are both GT cars (Grand Tourers)
RX7 is a sports car
GTR / NSX are poor mans exotics.

Completely different cars.

I expect a Supra / 300ZX to have some luxury and space inside while traveling at ludicrous speeds. The RX7 should handle like a dream even if it's a bit spartan. Meanwhile the GTR / NSX should be giving exotic cars worth twice as much a run for their money.
Technically as far as the Supra is concerned it was a GT. Expectations of what it will be if it's even coming are fine but what it was doesn't automatically mean what it will be as well.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:24 PM   #54
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And a price to match?
a fully loaded supra back in the day cost $50k; that's one of the main things that killed it...that's not adjusted for inflation either
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:33 PM   #55
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the problem with any new toyota product is that nobody seems to want to "crack" the stock ecu. So no reflash software... its all piggyback stuff and stand alone EMS systems cant seem to control all of the things the ecu does leaving them only for race cars. Its the reason why the lexus IS-F died.
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:01 PM   #56
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Technically as far as the Supra is concerned it was a GT. Expectations of what it will be if it's even coming are fine but what it was doesn't automatically mean what it will be as well.
Naming has great impact on the brand and product. It is not as easy as you perceive it to be.

Sure, Toyota could have named the LF-A, the Supra. Glad they didn't.

A $100k GTR NSX competitor cannot put a Supra name on it. It needs a more prestige and heritage nameplate like the 2000GT.

If they do use Supra in such way, it would need a serious revival campaign to show the industry it's not joking. Probably even more so than the GTR release campaign for Nissan, since the GTR has legendary motorsports credibility.
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Naming has great impact on the brand and product. It is not as easy as you perceive it to be.
A name carrying with it a legacy or reputation is not as set in stone as you want to believe it to be. As unchangeable as history is (or isn't), the future doesn't have to always shoot forward in the shadow of the past. "Supra" is just a legacy now. It might speak about certain things for the auto industry but that doesn't change what Toyota can generally do with the name. Assuming the Supra will always be a "Supra" is both stubborn and ignorant.

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Sure, Toyota could have named the LF-A, the Supra. Glad they didn't.

A $100k GTR NSX competitor cannot put a Supra name on it. It needs a more prestige and heritage nameplate like the 2000GT.

If they do use Supra in such way, it would need a serious revival campaign to show the industry it's not joking. Probably even more so than the GTR release campaign for Nissan, since the GTR has legendary motorsports credibility.
All I got from that is the Toyota version of: "The Japanese will never equal the name of Ferrari or Lamborghini, even with the NS-X. A name like Honda can never rise up, even if it builds the best car in the world. A Honda will always be a Honda." - Mauro Forghieri

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A name carrying with it a legacy or reputation is not as set in stone as you want to believe it to be. As unchangeable as history is (or isn't), the future doesn't have to always shoot forward in the shadow of the past. "Supra" is just a legacy now. It might speak about certain things for the auto industry but that doesn't change what Toyota can generally do with the name. Assuming the Supra will always be a "Supra" is both stubborn and ignorant.
Supposedly, Toyota thought it was not stubborn and ignorant to not name the LF-A, "Supra". It is unwise to think a new name cannot be used to associate new generation of sports car ala GT-86, not Splinter Trueno. A new name makes more sense. Nissan does not use Fairlady in their Z cars here as much as JDM boys would like.

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All I got from that is the Toyota version of: "The Japanese will never equal the name of Ferrari or Lamborghini, even with the NS-X. A name like Honda can never rise up, even if it builds the best car in the world. A Honda will always be a Honda." - Mauro Forghieri
I don't think anyone would not agree that Toyota or Honda marque would ever have the same prestige as Ferrari or Lamborghini or Porsche. Toyota and Honda would agree as well. Different business goal, market, and engineering philosophy. Do you think they make cars to personally please everyone?
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:06 PM   #59
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Supposedly, Toyota thought it was not stubborn and ignorant to not name the LF-A, "Supra". It is unwise to think a new name cannot be used to associate new generation of sports car ala GT-86, not Splinter Trueno. A new name makes more sense. Nissan does not use Fairlady in their Z cars here as much as JDM boys would like.
That's because the current year is 2013, not 1970. Retiring the name instead of changing it is not out of the question at all. Otherwise Hyundai and Kia would be trying to create a luxury car brand.

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I don't think anyone would not agree that Toyota or Honda marque would ever have the same prestige as Ferrari or Lamborghini or Porsche. Toyota and Honda would agree as well. Different business goal, market, and engineering philosophy. Do you think they make cars to personally please everyone?
That's odd, then I guess creating Lexus, Acura, and Scion was a complete waste and should have just been named Honda and Toyota instead of creating a whole new brand or two. You can change the name all you want. Dress it up however you like. It's still what it is underneath it all. That's not to say it can't change underneath it all though. Something can evolve or devolve or mold into something else underneath it all.



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Old 06-15-2013, 10:38 PM   #60
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They need a 4WD coupe, like the S205 Celica! I used to own an S205 GT-FOUR Homoligation model (381 of 2500 if I can remember...)
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Old 06-16-2013, 01:31 PM   #61
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That's odd, then I guess creating Lexus, Acura, and Scion was a complete waste and should have just been named Honda and Toyota instead of creating a whole new brand or two. You can change the name all you want. Dress it up however you like. It's still what it is underneath it all. That's not to say it can't change underneath it all though. Something can evolve or devolve or mold into something else underneath it all.
Are you saying they made Lexus, Infiniti, Acura, and Scion to compete with Ferrari and Lambo?

They are different markets. McDonald's isn't going to compete against Olive Garden anytime soon even though they offer Italian dressing on their salads.

This is automotive business, not pop music lol

Back to the Supra,

$35k to $45k, 350hp to 375hp Supra with packages similar to the 370Z would be nice. A range topping TRD Supra with 400hp limited run model for the hardcore enthusiasts.
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Don't see this happening. If anything, likelihood of a Lexus-badged GT performance coupe happening seems higher. Also makes it easier to justify a high price.
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I would love to the Supra make a come back. 1 of Toyotas best car imo.
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4wd has it. A new supra will be right in line with a 370Z
Which a that point, would be interesting.

I do not think the last gen supra was as good as everybody remembers it to be. Stock it was just an okay car.
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yeah, stock it was pretty good, but they built their reputation on people building the stock blocks up to huge HP levels. but my friend has a stock '93 TT, and it's still a pretty nice car. leather interior, still sold build quality, and pretty quick. it feels about as quick as a stock STi. or maybe one with a tune on a stock turbo. but the issue is that it feels fat and heavy. it's definitely a big gt car, not a sports car, despite it's reputation. more realistically, it feels like a poor-man's Jaguar XK-R from ~2000 or so. more at home doing highway pulls than tight switchbacks.

as far as the usage of a revered name, look at the bastardization that GM does with it's old names. big companies can and will do whatever they want with what they own the rights to.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:19 PM   #66
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Just re-release the goddamn MKIV and get it over with please
the thing is, every time I see mk4 supra I can't belive this thing is made in 1993!!! its still looks modren even after 20 years.

SO YES RERELEASE THE MKIV
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4wd has it. A new supra will be right in line with a 370Z
Which a that point, would be interesting.

I do not think the last gen supra was as good as everybody remembers it to be. Stock it was just an okay car.
The legend of the mkvi was nothing more than that engine. The car was large, pretty portly for the time, and handles decent enough. It was the ability to crank the boost and just throw on parts that gave it its "gift of the gods" reputation. In reality it was a good gt-ish car, but you could throw so ,much power at it reliably you could pass on straights.

Or race from a roll like everyone does :uhh:

Now, an rx7 handles well, but even that was finicky at the limit. The thing was everything else in the early to mid 90s sucked so hard' looking back the JDM invasion seemed like these technological wonders that challenged Ferraris. True' they had their models (gtr, nsx, etc.) But stuff definitely caught up by the end of the decade.
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^ But the Supra was one of the best looking of its class (and as someone else pointed out, it's still a good looking car today), which consisted of other cars that weren't lightweights either. Considering the models we care about the most (meaning the ones with snails under the hood), the 3000GT was a big one too and a bit heavier and the 300ZX was slightly lighter than the Supra. The RX-7 was really the only lightweight, though I don't really count the NSX since it was in a whole other price range and didn't compete directly with them.

But I just wish that the US market got the three-spoke steering wheel like everywhere else, not the stupid, goofy four-spoke one that looks like it came from the Camry.
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The legend of the mkvi was nothing more than that engine. The car was large, pretty portly for the time, and handles decent enough. It was the ability to crank the boost and just throw on parts that gave it its "gift of the gods" reputation. In reality it was a good gt-ish car, but you could throw so ,much power at it reliably you could pass on straights.

Or race from a roll like everyone does :uhh:

Now, an rx7 handles well, but even that was finicky at the limit. The thing was everything else in the early to mid 90s sucked so hard' looking back the JDM invasion seemed like these technological wonders that challenged Ferraris. True' they had their models (gtr, nsx, etc.) But stuff definitely caught up by the end of the decade.
Agreed, the engine made the Supra, so a new one just doesn't really excite me all that much (especially with the rumors swirling around of what the next Mustang will be).
I love the interior of the MKIV Supra as well though. Everything in there focuses on the driver, an aspect that is lost today.
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I love the interior of the MKIV Supra as well though. Everything in there focuses on the driver, an aspect that is lost today.
The S2000 had an interior like that. Had...
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I love the interior of the MKIV Supra as well though. Everything in there focuses on the driver, an aspect that is lost today.
Actually, many cars have the center console oriented to the drivers these days. Even the Prius.

The Supra was an good car back in the 90s, but it was the strong engine popular with the drag and highway pull crowd that skyrocketed its popularity.

Besides the engine, it wasn't spectacular like the Skyline GTR nor the NSX.

It wasn't a beast like the GTR, nor nimble and precise like the RX-7, nor low and sleek like the 300zx, nor as sophisticated as the NSX.

The 3000GT was a good car also, but was completely overshadowed by the Skyline. Same with cough cough SVX... (hope this didn't wake the dragon )

I wouldn't mind a nice all factory Supra Turbo, 3000GT VR4, 300ZX TT, NSX, or Skyline GTR
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No point in comparing it to the GT-R at the time, since most people at the time didn't even know what a GT-R was, as it wasn't sold here. I think you're downplaying the Supra and where it stood against its competitors. A LOT of people liked it even before its engine was getting exploited for the hp/torque it could handle with a few mods.
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No point in comparing it to the GT-R at the time, since most people at the time didn't even know what a GT-R was, as it wasn't sold here. I think you're downplaying the Supra and where it stood against its competitors. A LOT of people liked it even before its engine was getting exploited for the hp/torque it could handle with a few mods.
Don't get me wrong it was a good car and definitely had following, especially myself seeing it at the NY auto show with my dad. Shiny red Supra was a dream to see.

Many people did like the car, but not like post F&F when it launched off like Google stocks.

The price was similar to the C4 Corvette and like many people lust over the Vett, we did with the Supra, though the Supra was better than the C4.

The Skyline wasn't even available in the states and it was more legendary, thanks to Gran Turismo (still remember GT1 for original PS).

The Skyline dominated motorsports and still highly sorted after for racing platform. The Supra sorted mostly for top speed and drag. The Skyline also dominated the Supra in JGTC. Best Motoring rarely uses the Supra for comparisons, while the Skyline, NSX, and RX-7 are repeatedly used for benchmarking current cars.

I love the Supra as a kid and still do, but I'm not talking it down... It's just talked up too much.
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They need a 4WD coupe, like the S205 Celica! I used to own an S205 GT-FOUR Homoligation model (381 of 2500 if I can remember...)
Don't rub it in. Toyota decided bringing a high performance AWD celica back to the states was not worth it so the last good example we got was the S185 which are hard as hell to come by and every time I manage to find one it has been horribly molested or the owner had no clue on how to take care of it.

In fact there are two within 500 miles of my house up for sale that fit those descriptions lol.
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By the time Toyota revives the Supra, I'll be too old to drive it or maybe I'll be dead by then.
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