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Old 02-24-2012, 11:34 AM   #51
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All the interior color schemes look nice and reminiscent of BMW's. One thing I really like about BMWs is that no matter what color interior you select the steering wheel is black; tan and gray steering wheels get so nasty looking over time and never clean up as well as you'd like....

..and as soon as I write this I'm reminded that the new 3er has the option of a "modern line" interior scheme with light-colored steering wheels.

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Old 02-24-2012, 11:49 AM   #52
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All the interior color schemes look nice and reminiscent of BMW's. One thing I really like about BMWs is that no matter what color interior you select the steering wheel is black; tan and gray steering wheels get so nasty looking over time and never clean up as well as you'd like....

..and as soon as I write this I'm reminded that the new 3er has the option of a "modern line" interior scheme with light-colored steering wheels.

If you think THAT's weird, check out this combination.



The tan dash + black seats and console + satin metallic trim for the new F30 modern line.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:04 PM   #53
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I really love this car!
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:47 PM   #54
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If you think THAT's weird, check out this combination.



The tan dash + black seats and console + satin metallic trim for the new F30 modern line.
It's like opposite day.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:25 PM   #55
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Looks like my TSX with a more pleasing front end.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:53 PM   #56
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I've been seeing these things all over the place (they are produced about 4 blocks from my apartment). It's a great looking car.




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Old 06-27-2012, 06:57 PM   #57
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Shame Cadillac is the title sponsor for the communist party in China.

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Old 06-27-2012, 08:34 PM   #58
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Shame Cadillac is the title sponsor for the communist party in China.
I know you have a beef with this (to the extent of boycotting GM as I recall), but you're gonna have to get used to it. China is an emerging market, and given the sheer size of it, every company that is interested in profit (which is pretty much all of them) is jumping in or soon will be. Capitalism creams itself over market growth, so there's nothing quite as juicy as the country with the largest population in the world coming up as a new market.

I'm not saying you can't dislike GM, I'm just saying if you keep boycotting US companies that support China you're probably gonna have a real short list of companies that aren't boycotted soon.

And that video is a propaganda piece.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:44 PM   #59
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I admit it is a bit over the top and heavy handed
But the facts are still relevant. The way cadillac sold out to the CCCP is putrid in my mind. I do despise GM. A company deemed too large to fail as it would cause horrible waves of disaster in this county. So we saved it so it can move most of its business to China.

As politically charged as that was (probably made by Ford lol) there is enough truth through all the rhetoric for me to fuel my dislike.

My list is already pretty short and I am forced to be a personal hypocrite a times ( iPhone anyone). But things like cars it is far easier to make my choice and NOT chose this or that
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:55 PM   #60
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Nice looking Caddy!

seeing 3 pedals in this pic:


makes me >
On the "Build Your Own" that is now available, it looks like you can get a 6spd manual on all 2.0L Turbo models, but only those.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:04 PM   #61
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Oh the ATS is stunning in person. I could not stop looking at it at the auto show. It is just a damn shame about caddies connections. But the car itself could be spectacular
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:29 PM   #62
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I admit it is a bit over the top and heavy handed
But the facts are still relevant. The way cadillac sold out to the CCCP is putrid in my mind. I do despise GM. A company deemed too large to fail as it would cause horrible waves of disaster in this county. So we saved it so it can move most of its business to China.
A lot of it isn't fact though, it's selectively worded and slanted so hard I had to call it propaganda lol : "Since the taxpayer bailout 70% of GM cars and trucks have been produced outside the US" OK... what was it before the bailout? Probably right around that same number, being that they've been selling cars in almost every continent forever. Outsourcing is common for all automakers, and not always just because of labor cost. There was an article just recently where Honda (I think) was talking about building more plants in the US because it's hard to react flexibly with regard to dealer overstock when you have to build cars months in advance and put them on slow ships to get to their intended market.

Capitalism is about profits and growth, and despite our view on communism, I think capitalist companies are gonna stay blind to it as long as they are pulling a profit out. You say we saved them so they can move their business to China, but that's crap; they're expanding their market to make more profit, not moving it like that slam piece says. When they openly just hand over the entire company to the Chinese government and shut down here, that would be something we should rightfully be mad... actually.... FURIOUS about (not that that's ever happening).

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My list is already pretty short and I am forced to be a personal hypocrite a times ( iPhone anyone). But things like cars it is far easier to make my choice and NOT chose this or that
I'm in the same boat man, regarding being a hypocrite... I probably come off as the biggest GM fanboy ever on this forum, but I've only owned one GM vehicle and it was crap. I'm not a huge fan of anything but the Corvette. It's not that I love GM, it's that I try to be objective... and on this forum everybody does nothing but take (usually stupid.... and God, I am I getting out of control with parathesis?) potshots at them. I'm starting to dislike them because I wind up defending them so much.

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Oh the ATS is stunning in person. I could not stop looking at it at the auto show. It is just a damn shame about caddies connections. But the car itself could be spectacular
Well, you can always get one used... GM gets none of your money then.

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Old 06-27-2012, 09:34 PM   #63
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I zoomed way into the shifter to see the pattern. Didn't see the pedals lol.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:35 AM   #64
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Skunkers buddy,

I wish there was something you could tell me to change my mind. I would love to go drive an ATS. It seems like it could really be a real 328i alternative. But I just cannot find one redeeming thing to talk about.
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:06 PM   #65
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Oh the ATS is stunning in person. I could not stop looking at it at the auto show. It is just a damn shame about caddies connections. But the car itself could be spectacular
Ah, but that is very un-capitalist of you, I think. If you see a good product at a good price, you should just buy it. Why involve politics in market activity?

The argument against this type of bail out is that it creates a moral hazard, which makes companies less competitive as they allegedly no longer have incentives to be good. But to say that hey, they do make competitive products now, but I won't buy from them because they got bailed out and that SHOULD have made them uncompetitive, sounds backward to me.

I really like the ATS too, BTW.
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:15 PM   #66
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That's because you do not understand my point of view.
The bailout was wrong and I am still dead against it.

We saved a company that is moving a vast amount of resources to China.
GM is poised to do more good for China than the country who bailed it out.

I am allowed to hate GM for so many reasons. Bad management, piss poor products, unions, getting in bed with China, it is a very hard company to want to help.

My reasons are my reasons. Do not really care if it makes sense to anybody
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:02 PM   #67
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That's because you do not understand my point of view.
The bailout was wrong and I am still dead against it.

We saved a company that is moving a vast amount of resources to China.
GM is poised to do more good for China than the country who bailed it out.

I am allowed to hate GM for so many reasons. Bad management, piss poor products, unions, getting in bed with China, it is a very hard company to want to help.

My reasons are my reasons. Do not really care if it makes sense to anybody
Well, I wasn't saying you weren't allowed to hate GM or anything close to that.

But I thought the reason bail out was/is frowned upon is because it is a market intervention, which it is. So I won't say that I am for every single bail out, and I won't even say that I knew this one would work out back when. But it seems to ME like this instance of market intervention turned out more or less ok, with GM producing some very attractive products now and being actually more competitive than before.

As for outsourcing, that is a whole another issue, and I do think that's a big problem in general. I do not know enough about GM to really judge whether they are particularly worse than other companies though. At least GM does most of the final assembly in North America for the cars sold in the US market, right?
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Let's move passed the bailout topic. It was done and over with... Complaining won't change that.
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And Motor Trend already wrecked one.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:25 AM   #70
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:51 PM   #71
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The automatic shifter looks like a boner


Other than that, this is a really bitchen car. Really makes me consider saving my pennies so I can grab a manual transmission turbo-4 in a few years, if I'm still interested. I watched a video and the handling looked super solid.
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:39 AM   #72
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So how long before we see an ATS-V? 1-2 years?
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Old 08-16-2012, 03:55 PM   #73
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Grrr... such a tease. So much of what they praised were parts or materials only available on the top "Premium" trim package. The suspension, tires, and interior are all upgraded to the max on the version they tested.

How about the 2.0T, MT, w/o $10k+ of extra options? That's the one I want to know doesn't suck.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:36 AM   #74
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Wow, it really died in here with the actual release of the car.

This is month-old news, but since it hasn't been posted: apparently Cadillac re-vamped the ATS's manual transmission before production after the press cars lost 3 straight comparos against the new 328i (C&D, R&T, and MT).

http://wot.motortrend.com/exclusive-...ed-280959.html

It's especially a shame since all the tests pretty much said the ATS was more fun to drive... except for the shifter being SO awful as to spoil the whole package.

I see my local dealers are starting to have the manual ATSs in inventory, need to get over and drive one for myself.

Did anyone here actually buy one of these? Or at least drive one? Thoughts?
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I bet they are great cars.
I saw my first one on the road 2 weeks ago. Looks great in person in motion.
But my quest for a fast family hauler ended at my local VW dealership with a Golf R.
yes I bought a Nazi car.
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