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Old 08-07-2010, 11:32 PM   #1
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Default I had my pen0r extended today

I finally drove my friend's 1996 Viper GTS. Let me start by saying this thing is an attention magnet. I know most of OT dates supermodels and drives supercars, but as a lowly 4cylinder econobox owner, I was astonished by how many people honked/waved/shouted/stared constantly. I never understood how rich people bought pen0r extensions to drive around in for attention until now. I mean, I understood the concept, but had no idea how incessantly the masses gawked. Granted, if I saw it on my commute, I would stare as well.

He wanted to drive my Evo but I, of course, wanted to drive his Viper in return, so we swapped back and forth throughout the day. Actual unprofessional car review section:

Chassis/Suspension: The car definitely needed an alignment and had some vibration at 70+mph. Besides that, it was crazy stiff and the steering response was probably even quicker than the Evo. He has stock suspension and it is still bone jarring. My Evo has 8k/10k Ohlins which are tolerable on the street but the chassis on this was stiffer than a virgin at the Playboy mansion. It's ridiculous and is a true "weekend car". I've done all bushings on the Evo and the Viper was still much stiffer. I was surprised and impressed with how unforgiving and raw it was.

Interior: To be honest, the interior is garbage. Now, I'm far from an interior snob who complains about hard plastic in Evos or STIs. In fact, I am more than willing to have a crappy interior that costs less so they can make the car better where it matters. First off, my Recaro seats blew his easy chairs out of the water. The shifter is wayyyyyy taller than the nub in this picture. The e-brake is really high for some reason and sits on a gigantic partition between the seats. The dash itself just screamed rental car. The car is 14 years old but they never really got any better. One thing that was nice was being able to adjust all the pedals with a turn of a knob. That came in handy because he is 5'7" and I'm 6'. I would probably need more seat time before I started to heel-toe but the Evo pedals felt perfectly laid out. Maybe I'm just used to them but they are closer together and each pedal seems more sensitive. Having a dead pedal is nice too.



Drivetrain: I had warned him about my Exedy Twin Disk HD clutch being heavy but after getting out of the Viper and into the Evo, I thought my slave cylinder was gone or something. The pedal just went to the floor so lightly in comparison. The clutch pedal travel was crazy long on the Viper as well, along with the gear shifts. The gearbox was pretty crappy and stiff compared to my completely rebuilt Shep tranny with all new gears and synchros. Granted, this car's 14 years old and mine was rebuilt a year ago and has 2 week old tranny fluid in it, too. I hate driving any manual in traffic. I really hate driving the Evo in traffic. I would absolutely want to scratch my eyes out if I had to drive this in traffic. He said his leg cramps up and he has to pull over. Another check in the "weekend car" column. Despite Evos having bad synchro grinds and losing gears, a fully functional Evo gearbox was lightyears better than the Viper's in my uneducated opinion. It's like butter.

Wicked powah: This was the fastest car I've driven to date. My Evo's engine is stock except for cams. Still has stock turbo. Just bolt ons and tune putting ~330 to the wheels. The V10 is just brutal. He had done an intake, high flow cats and catback exhaust and it sounded so choice. Similar car:


I don't need to tell you that you have to respect this thing or it will bite you. That's a metric crap-ton of power to the rear wheels with all the weight over the front wheels.





At the end of the day, I was happy to be driving home in the Evo. Anyways, that was my Saturday. Not a red letter date in history, but enough to have a great day and waste a few minutes of your time reading about it. Everybody wins!
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:37 PM   #2
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<~~~~jealous

Great looking car. But, I hate those rims.
Congrats on doing something I'll never do.
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:38 PM   #3
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Pretty spot on review. I've driven a 99' and came to similar conclusions. Super stiff suspension. Fairly precise steering. Great power. Stiff Clutch. Clumsy trasmission.

I also found the pedals to be too offset toward the right. And the view is fairly intimidating. You sit deep in the car and the nose extends way out there.

EDIT: Even though I've driven what I consider far better cars (not trying to brag), that exact car (without the wheels) is still my dream car. As I said in another thread, its the car that peaked my enthusiasm for cars.

EDIT: Just wanted to mention I am supremely jealous. It has been about 7 years since I last drove this car. What a great way to spend a weekend.
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:39 PM   #4
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nice dude.....there's a certain amount of bad-ass that goes aong with these cars. even of yore not, for a moment, you are...
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:07 AM   #5
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Man, just checked out Viper pricing.

With the exception of the color combo above which I want so bad, Viper pricing is surprisingly low. They go down into the mid $20k's for older models and even some newer models are available in the upper $30k's. Maybe I'll be able to own one sooner than I thought (I wish)!
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:57 AM   #6
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The original Viper was one of the most badass car designs ever. So evil looking, so much brute force... congrats on getting to play with one.
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Old 08-08-2010, 01:34 AM   #7
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That car is pure sex. I've always loved the coupe body, and that color combo is the tits!
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Old 08-08-2010, 01:45 AM   #8
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i think thats the best viper you have there. better than any ragtop for sure


so did it feel large? ive never even sat in one but always imagined they would feel real big. like you wouldnt know where the corners were or something
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Old 08-08-2010, 01:53 AM   #9
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Great Looking car!

I been considering buying a 2008 coupe. Then I figured I wouldn't have any money left over to mod it.
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Old 08-08-2010, 01:58 AM   #10
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My uncle's manager drives one JUST like that, except running a supercharger and water meth injection.

Putting out over 600 horses.

All it took was light throttle and a crappy driver for the tires to go to the front.
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Old 08-08-2010, 02:50 AM   #11
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i would never buy one, but you bet i'd love to give her a go.

kind of like angelina jolie.
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Old 08-08-2010, 02:54 AM   #12
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i would never buy one, but you bet i'd love to give her a go.

kind of like angelina jolie.
No it's like ****ing the ugly chick with the nice body and experience over the hot chick with no experience.

Wait, that made more sense when it was in my head.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:01 AM   #13
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:03 AM   #14
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thats ****en awesome. i know ill never get to drive one of these. so ill live vicariously through this post.

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Old 08-08-2010, 04:10 AM   #15
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oh man i loved that show as a kid
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Old 08-08-2010, 06:03 AM   #16
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The original Viper was one of the most badass car designs ever. So evil looking, so much brute force... congrats on getting to play with one.
couldnt agree more... it may not have been the fastest, or the easiest to drive (From what i have read), or the most reliable....

But definitely has the looks, and the power, and the overall badassness to keep its place in the realm of supercars...

The newer vipers are more meh to me.

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oh man i loved that show as a kid

hahaha! same here!!
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Old 08-08-2010, 07:26 AM   #17
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EDIT: Even though I've driven what I consider far better cars (not trying to brag), that exact car (without the wheels) is still my dream car. As I said in another thread, its the car that peaked my enthusiasm for cars.
Piqued!!!
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Old 08-08-2010, 08:28 AM   #19
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Did you mention the cabin heat?


I will have a Viper someday.
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Old 08-08-2010, 08:42 AM   #20
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I'm not a fan of the wheels either, but he likes the show car look and has a sound system in it as well. Wants to get the wheel lips rechromed every time they get a chip. Pretty ridiculous. He also bought the SRT Viper brakes just to fill in his 20" wheels. To each his own...

As for the size, it felt pretty much like it's proportioned. Inside the cabin and looking back, you realize there isn't much car behind you. The hood is lonng and the whole thing is very Batmobile-ish. I didn't have to do much tight driving where I would have to check my corners and we always parked away from the drones but I was certain to leave room for error at all times.

There was no cabin heat. We had the windows down and the AC on during a nice low 80s, no humidity summer day. He was the one who may have had cabin heat since I removed the AC on the Evo.

Adding Interior review to OP.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:32 AM   #21
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PSHHH .. been there and done that on gran turismo. I'm sure it'd be the same way in real life... I press the X button for gas and it spins out every single time I turn.

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Dammit! you are a lucky SOB. This has been my dream car forever. Everything you described about it is why i love it. Raw, barely-controlled power. It is a muscle car. none of that wussed mustang or corvette crap.

BTW, the newer models are more refined. Top gear had one up against a Z06 i believe and it caught up to the vette on their road-course. neat cars.

Blue on white FTW.
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Dammit! you are a lucky SOB. This has been my dream car forever. Everything you described about it is why i love it. Raw, barely-controlled power. It is a muscle car. none of that wussed mustang or corvette crap.

BTW, the newer models are more refined. Top gear had one up against a Z06 i believe and it caught up to the vette on their road-course. neat cars.

Blue on white FTW.
You mean the ACR that out performs even the ZR1?
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:57 AM   #24
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Piqued!!!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1537222

I won't clog this thread with that, but it was an amazing experience. Three of those cars were my absolute dream cars at the time. Feel free to comment in that thread about it, the thread never really took off like I had hoped.

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Did you mention the cabin heat?


I will have a Viper someday.
I noticed that too. Also the extremely wide and hot door sills.

Also, just thought I should point this out. Depending on where you live in the country, you can rent one of these for a pretty fair rate. Something like $300 a day. After this thread, I am seriously considering it.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:04 AM   #25
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You mean the ACR that out performs even the ZR1?
No, this was when the viper came out with the second gen. It was a srt-10, and z06.

The ACR is an entire different monster. Like the hennesay viper.
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