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Old 06-19-2002, 08:26 PM   #1
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Don't mean to re-post, but this question may be more appropriate for the CA chapters than the NA forum. If anyone has some input on this, it'd be appreciated. Thanks.

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Old 06-20-2002, 01:37 AM   #2
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saw jai recently had is car smogged with the spciy cams (IIRC) and was 3x over the limit.
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Old 06-20-2002, 12:43 PM   #3
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Yeah, I'd read that post too.

That's kinda what got me thinking about the street cams. I'd been considering those for a while and figured now'd be as good a time as any to check on the smogability of the street cams.
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Old 06-20-2002, 04:29 PM   #4
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I'm not going to get any cams if they'll put me 3 times over the limit. If I'm going to have to pay a guy to smog me, I'll just slap a turbo kit on instead of cams...maybe in addition to!
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Old 06-20-2002, 04:35 PM   #5
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I just don't want to pollute any more than stock, no matter what performance gains I'd get.

On the flip side, I don't think a smog test should automatically be failed because of aftermarket stuff on the car. If it still passes the sniffer, why should anyone care how its hooked up under the hood?
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Old 06-20-2002, 05:01 PM   #6
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I just don't want to pollute any more than stock, no matter what performance gains I'd get.

On the flip side, I don't think a smog test should automatically be failed because of aftermarket stuff on the car. If it still passes the sniffer, why should anyone care how its hooked up under the hood?

that is whats so f-n stupid about CA smog. even if the turbo kit gives off BETTER emissions you FAIL! *** is up with that?? its one of the dumbest regulations ive ever heard of. they should be happy that you LOWERED your freakin emissions (some turbos kits actually have showed lower emissions).
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Old 06-20-2002, 05:12 PM   #7
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that is whats so f-n stupid about CA smog. even if the turbo kit gives off BETTER emissions you FAIL! WTH is up with that?? its one of the dumbest regulations ive ever heard of. they should be happy that you LOWERED your freakin emissions (some turbos kits actually have showed lower emissions).
Agreed. This state is ****ed up about smog check. IF I can figure out a way to make my car run cleaner and more efficiently, having a few extra goodies under the hood...why THE HELL should it matter? We all should start up complain to our congress! Here's how! http://cw2k.capweb.net/voteweb/
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Old 06-20-2002, 05:21 PM   #8
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Thanks for the link JadeMonkey, but CA smog is a state issue and your link is for our Congress and Senate reps. Do you have a link to our State reps?
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Old 06-20-2002, 05:27 PM   #9
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seriously guys, we should start a state wide petition. we can post it in this forum, socal forum, and then go to other forums such as honda, F-body sites, BMW, VW, audi, etc, and have them sign it as well. im positive we can get a couple thousand people to sign it.


the law should be, you have a certain emission number for this engine. you go past it, you need to fix it. you go under it, heres a lollipop for you.
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Old 06-20-2002, 05:46 PM   #10
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Benjamin can take care some of those problems.....
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Old 06-20-2002, 10:08 PM   #11
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I'm not sure when you gusy tried last but good luck finding a smog station willing to go the benjamin route anymore.
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Old 06-21-2002, 11:23 AM   #12
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Thanks for the link JadeMonkey, but CA smog is a state issue and your link is for our Congress and Senate reps. Do you have a link to our State reps?
We should petition everybody including our Senators. Let me do some digging...
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Old 06-21-2002, 11:24 AM   #13
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I'm not sure when you gusy tried last but good luck finding a smog station willing to go the benjamin route anymore.
My brother goes to a shop in vallejo for his turbo'd civic hatchback. It cost him 3 benjamins... but he's not doing that anymore...getting a truck, and turning his honda into a track car.
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Old 06-21-2002, 11:26 AM   #14
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Thanks for the link JadeMonkey, but CA smog is a state issue and your link is for our Congress and Senate reps. Do you have a link to our State reps?
BAM!

If you don't know your district (for shame!!)Find out your zone by clicking on the link, and entering zip code

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Baca, Joe , California, 42nd
Becerra, Xavier , California, 30th
Berman, Howard , California, 26th
Bono, Mary , California, 44th
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I'm not sure when you gusy tried last but good luck finding a smog station willing to go the benjamin route anymore.


I'm pretty sure that 2 of those Benjamans will DO....
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Old 06-21-2002, 12:56 PM   #16
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Someone want to send me a PM on a place I can take my supra that will "help me fix the problems" and pass emission? Ive got a couple benjamins in need of a good home.
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Old 06-21-2002, 03:53 PM   #17
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that person can CC me as well

I have some lonely benjamins as well.


Cheers

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Old 06-21-2002, 04:11 PM   #18
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C'mon guys, I didn't post this so you could hook up w/ under-the-table smog checks. I'm trying to do improve my car's performance legally.

Speaking of which, I did a little hunting on line to find out why vehicles need to pass a visual even if it passes the sniffer. Here's the response I got.

"Dear Craig,
You have a good question and unfortunately I don't have a good answer, besides I can say that most cars which have aftermarket performance products don't pass the smog inspection. However if a car does pass, there is a good chance that the performance product used has been designed for use it that specific car and it probably also has a EO label, which means it is Federally approved. The only condition in this case ( for those who live in California) is to insure that the component is also California legal. This can be done by contacting the components manufacturer.

I hope this information is helpful to you. If there is anything I can help with in the future, don't hesitate to e-mail.

For more information you may want to locate a reputable smog service center in your area by simply typing in your zip code in the Smog Shop Locator search section at SmogTips.com

Sincerely,
Alec, SmogTips.com, Inc. Smog Evaluations Team"

Doesn't really shed any new light on the subject, but I was impressed w/ the quick turn around on the answer.

Anyone else find out anything on the reasons behind the CA smog law for visual inspections?
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Old 06-21-2002, 04:12 PM   #19
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the law should be, you have a certain emission number for this engine. you go past it, you need to fix it. you go under it, heres a lollipop for you.
Why bother even relating the engine and the smog check.

Wouldn't it be better to just have a specific volume of emission that all cars have to be under regardless of engine size/induction method/mods etc.
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Further, I think any privately owned passenger vehicle should be required to meet the same standard. I don't see why a Ford Excursion, for example, should be emission exempt just because it is too big to classify as a car. It is still being used as a private passenger vehicle the same as my Suby.
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Old 06-21-2002, 04:17 PM   #21
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I could see the reasoning that relates amount of emissions to engine size. i.e. trucks w/ large engines pulling heavy loads make more stink. That makes sense. But diesels don't have as restrictive requirements, motorcycles don't either, government vehicles are exempt too.

But I do agree that as long as the amount of emissions don't change, it shouldn't matter what you bolt on your engine.
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Old 06-21-2002, 04:46 PM   #22
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ok craig, i see a hole in the above response that we might be able to use to petition.


no doubt that many performance modificatoins are not bad for emissions, and many of them have CARB EO numbers. however, the only way to get this number is for the manufacturer to spend thousands in getting a CARB certification. some performance cars that are not mainstream (Imprezas) get screwed. we have performance mods that better our emissions but we are not mainstream enough that our manufacturers can afford (or even be worth their time) to get CARB certification. this is not fair to us, who have chosen a path different than a Civic or Mustang that have tons of CARB legal parts. this is sort of like ethnic clensing for minority cars who are modded. we need a more politically correct emissions standard



the issue of when a police officer pulls you over comes up. he is trying to keep you in this emissions restrictions. what i propose is that they either dont worry about it (this is what SMOG stations are for isnt it? to check up on you every couple years, this way they give you a ticket for speeding or excessive noise, and then go out and bust some drug dealers and bank robbers), or design a sniffer that they can use on the road.


the way the system is designed blows for people who have a car that is not mainstream. they need to do 1 of 3 things i think.
1: lower the cost to get CARB certification (i dont know exactly what is involved so i dont know if this is possible)
2: grants or something to manufacturers who are designing products for non-mainstream cars
3: the CARB EO numbers need to be taken out.


edit: if number 3 is chosen, then i believe hand-held sniffers should be designed for cops. they look up on the computer what your car should be, and then test you. if you fail he gives you a fix-it ticket and gives you 30 days (or whatever) to fix the car. you are assigned a date to go to a smog station and if you fail, then well i dont know...a penalty or something.

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Here here!
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i edited my post BTW, at the end.
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Preach on my brotha! Lets get this moving. Make this thread a sticky, have all BAIC'ers sign this petition, get something together in SCIC, then go to other forms like what Andrew said.
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