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Old 11-18-2011, 04:24 PM   #476
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I have always used ultra copper for this application and i couldn't be happier.
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:07 PM   #477
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My FR kit had a exhaust leak at the T4 flange with a multilayer gasket also. I checked both the turbo and up pipe flange; they were flat. A single layer gasket (the one the kit shipped with;-)) plus a thin film of Permatex ultra copper sealed it all up nicely.


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I have a party smoke machine at home and I'm going to fill up the exhaust system with it and pressurize the system to see if more leaks found after replacing the gaskets.
make sure to do it on the intake side too!!
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:21 PM   #478
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make sure to do it on the intake side too!!
I dunno about that. I did alot of research a while ago since I had a leak issue. It seems the 'smoke' produced by your typical smoke machine is really really bad for the engine. Whatever minerals used to make the smoke would corrode away at the metal.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:13 PM   #479
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I dunno about that. I did alot of research a while ago since I had a leak issue. It seems the 'smoke' produced by your typical smoke machine is really really bad for the engine. Whatever minerals used to make the smoke would corrode away at the metal.
really? either way, smoke alone is useless. need to pressurize that chit up!
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:25 AM   #480
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Your run of the mill smoke machine is good to 10-15 psi. I know it is not enough for high boost setups, but it is better than nothing.
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Old 11-20-2011, 03:05 PM   #481
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I finally got a code for the pressure system. I never thought about a smoke machine, I have one too lol I'm gonna look up the ingredients, if the labels show them, to see if they are in deed corrosive. I'm tired of my phuked idle :/
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:57 PM   #482
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I dunno about that. I did alot of research a while ago since I had a leak issue. It seems the 'smoke' produced by your typical smoke machine is really really bad for the engine. Whatever minerals used to make the smoke would corrode away at the metal.
High-end automotive repair-style EVAP and vacuum/boost smoke testing machines produce inert smoke that is harmless to the engine.
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:03 PM   #483
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High-end automotive repair-style EVAP and vacuum/boost smoke testing machines produce inert smoke that is harmless to the engine.
That is the conclusion I came to. They are also not cheap at all, even the fluid is retardedly expensive.
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:54 PM   #484
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Salesman pitch goes here, the Redline smoke machine(an oem approved unit), along with a few others can be used with harmless medical oil/baby oil. /threadjack Looking forward to the OP results.
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Old 11-20-2011, 10:42 PM   #485
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Salesman pitch goes here, the Redline smoke machine(an oem approved unit), along with a few others can be used with harmless medical oil/baby oil. /threadjack Looking forward to the OP results.
$850 for a base bare bones model is unrealistic unless you either own a shop and can make money off it or have alot of money and don't care. This was ultimately the problem I ran into. You can't make a DIY machine(can't use party smokers) and the cheapest one made for auto I found was like $250-300.
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:09 AM   #486
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$850 for a base bare bones model is unrealistic unless you either own a shop and can make money off it or have alot of money and don't care. This was ultimately the problem I ran into. You can't make a DIY machine(can't use party smokers) and the cheapest one made for auto I found was like $250-300.
I couldn't agree more, I have often thought how nice it would be to have every now and again. It seems to me as more of a nice to have investment than a need to have. All I am saying is they don't have to cost much to operate once you own one.
Devils advocate time, $850 for more go fast is ok but for a handy tool it isn't? Just something to ponder.
At any rate, I am anxious for the results from this twin scrill efr series turbo.
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Old 11-21-2011, 01:27 AM   #487
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Devils advocate time, $850 for more go fast is ok but for a handy tool it isn't? Just something to ponder.
At any rate, I am anxious for the results from this twin scrill efr series turbo.
Yes it is. Reason being is how often do you need a smoke tester, even if it was dirt cheap? Those go fast parts get used every time you turn the key. Also those go fast parts are not needed, they are desired thus we get them. I just try to look at returning value in things I buy. Part of the reason I personally never understood why everyone shells out $700 for an AP when open source is just a $100 cable and you end up doing the same thing to both once you're tuned, throwing in a bin for months till you need it again. /OT

Bariga, any news on the car? I don't mean the tune or anything but rather if it's got any of those issues resolved yet?
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Old 11-21-2011, 02:08 AM   #488
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Been playing Skyrim, and just lazy to work on the car now today looking under the hood i notice one of the uppipe flange studs is broken in half and nut is MIA, I think I torque it too much but never had that happen before. Hopefully this week ill get everythind done.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:54 AM   #489
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Hard to swallow $850 for a tool that wont be used THAT much, but you'll be glad you have it when you use it. That said, I think that's a tool that all turbo guys are going to use more than once if they do their own work on the vehicle.
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:41 AM   #490
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Pressurizing the system and spraying down all joints with soapy water works wonders for leak detection....

Looking forward to results as well...
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:18 PM   #491
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Been playing Skyrim, and just lazy to work on the car now today looking under the hood i notice one of the uppipe flange studs is broken in half and nut is MIA, I think I torque it too much but never had that happen before. Hopefully this week ill get everythind done.
As a fellow Skyrim player, I find this excuse perfectly reasonable.
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Old 11-21-2011, 12:35 PM   #492
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^ it is very addicting game
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Old 11-22-2011, 12:20 PM   #493
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Here are some pics from this morning





Downpipe Vband also leaked like MOFO
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Old 11-22-2011, 12:54 PM   #494
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get the cometic vband gasket.
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Old 11-22-2011, 12:58 PM   #495
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I use permatex ultra copper on the v bands also.
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:08 PM   #496
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get the cometic vband gasket.
just ordered one,
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:17 PM   #497
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Well, I guess you didn't need smoke to see that huh?
Good find, now get'r done
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:27 PM   #498
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Just talked to Grimspeed they are going to be making T4 and T3 gaskets with proper design, at least there would be options!
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:55 PM   #499
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Just talked to Grimspeed they are going to be making T4 and T3 gaskets with proper design, at least there would be options!
Why keep trying to use unproven gaskets vs what works? If the gasket provided by FR was $100 would you start using it then? The point of the gasket is to deform and seal all the little tiny pores/slits in the metal. Thats why you don't reuse gaskets. Using another hard thick metal like that inbetween is like having another flange sandwiched in there, without gaskets allowing now 2 surfaces to leak out from. You already have the FR gasket and everything apart, use some copper sealant with it and be done already. No one is going to see any fancy gasket you use, it's not even a bling factor so I just don't understand why.
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:04 PM   #500
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Well just had a bad experience with single layer gasket before with Coverts kit, it leaked like a mofo! so I'm little skeptical using that same gasket again, maybe this time put some copper sealant
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