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Old 02-15-2012, 01:35 PM   #826
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You should talk to Raffi He has a dualport.
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Old 02-15-2012, 01:44 PM   #827
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he sold me Forge dual port that doesn't work! the spring chamber doesn't hold pressure
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Old 02-15-2012, 05:23 PM   #828
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Man Bariga, I am sorry you are having all these complications. When it's done you can at least have some fun with it instead of fixing problems.

BTW, when you got your turbo did it come with all the fitting for the lines or did you have to locate and find correct fittings?
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:13 PM   #829
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It does come with the -4 an fitting for the oil, but yes I agree letting us know what fittings to purchase would be very helpful!
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:49 PM   #830
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It does come with the -4 an fitting for the oil, but yes I agree letting us know what fittings to purchase would be very helpful!
Agree, Ed @ EQ Tuning had to do some research and special ordered the rest of the fittings. Don't know about the fittings but it sounded like they weren't common.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:52 PM   #831
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They aren't that bad, the one for the oil fitting is the most difficult in my opinion .. . Which is included. But you can also use a 1.5" span tube to bolt it in.

The coolant lines can be just AN also, I read the BW EFR manual this weekend, but forgot the fine details beyond this.

What was cool was the 15 increments you can rotate for placement of your lines.
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:13 PM   #832
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They aren't that bad, the one for the oil fitting is the most difficult in my opinion .. . Which is included. But you can also use a 1.5" span tube to bolt it in.

The coolant lines can be just AN also, I read the BW EFR manual this weekend, but forgot the fine details beyond this.

What was cool was the 15 increments you can rotate for placement of your lines.
See that's where it drew some concerns, we didn't get a manual or any step by step when the turbo arrived. Literally it was a turbo in a box with a small baggy that included interchangeable parts. One part from memory was the EBC faceplate that said "Full-Race" instead of the stock beige faceplate which was interchangeable.

EDIT: oh and the FR invoice.
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Old 02-15-2012, 09:31 PM   #833
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Edit... didn't want to clutter bariga's thread.

Still eager for results Anton!
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:58 AM   #834
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The turbo has to be fixed almost as WG bracket touching the T4 flange bolt.
I used 2 90 degree -8 AN coolant fittings for coolant lines "make sure to use BW coolant seal rings", and oil return i tried everything and only one thing worked. 45 degree NTP -10 AN fitting and then straight -10AN to barb.

Also i had to take out the BPV spring out and replacing with 5mm rubber hose for suspension of lifting under load "because the spring is tiny"
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:58 AM   #835
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It does come with the -4 an fitting for the oil, but yes I agree letting us know what fittings to purchase would be very helpful!
http://www.full-race.com/articles/efrturbotechbrief.pdf


You read that yet? If you plan on installing an EFR it would behoove you to read it.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:09 AM   #836
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does anyone know anyone that works @ borg that can tell us what the hell is going on?
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:17 AM   #837
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Yeah I read that in that was my edited post I didn't wanna clutter up the thread I actually sent that to spike haha. It is a very good reading it teaches you pretty much any then you need to know about the EFR that borg warner want you to know
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:12 AM   #838
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The turbo has to be fixed almost as WG bracket touching the T4 flange bolt.
I used 2 90 degree -8 AN coolant fittings for coolant lines "make sure to use BW coolant seal rings", and oil return i tried everything and only one thing worked. 45 degree NTP -10 AN fitting and then straight -10AN to barb.

Also i had to take out the BPV spring out and replacing with 5mm rubber hose for suspension of lifting under load "because the spring is tiny"
If your not gonna use the built in BPV there is a block off plate that you have to use otherwise it will open when you don't want it to since its looking for boost pressure to stay closed. It's all in the technical briefing document.
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:43 AM   #839
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does anyone know anyone that works @ borg that can tell us what the hell is going on?
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:55 AM   #840
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The last story posted up was that Bw switched foundries. So I'm assuming they're setting up the casting molds/tooling. Then the new products need to be tested again. And bw's contract with Indy probably comes way before fr. Plus there is probably litigation going on between Bw and the first foundry. Most of that is just a guess though.

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Old 02-18-2012, 05:53 AM   #841
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any tuning today Anton?
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:24 PM   #842
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Wired in a different knock sensor, got the knock control working, wired in the methanol injection, got the map switching to work.
Only issue is massive boost creep on this internal wastegate.
I strongly advise against the iwg. I have from the start and now that I see it in action it is worse than I had anticipated.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:32 PM   #843
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I strongly advise against the iwg. I have from the start and now that I see it in action it is worse than I had anticipated.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:50 PM   #844
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Only issue is massive boost creep on this internal wastegate.
I strongly advise against the iwg. I have from the start and now that I see it in action it is worse than I had anticipated.


I'll be having a word with Geoff to see what's up. I'm not liking this.
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:58 PM   #845
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Wired in a different knock sensor, got the knock control working, wired in the methanol injection, got the map switching to work.
Only issue is massive boost creep on this internal wastegate.
I strongly advise against the iwg. I have from the start and now that I see it in action it is worse than I had anticipated.
you guys have something effed up -- there is NO boost creep, ive been flogging the hell out of my evo and saw zero. also five other cars ive done with this internal gate and seen zero creep
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:59 PM   #846
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bariga- before coming to any conclusions give me a call - im willing to bet you have the actuator cranked with too much preload OR plumbed wrong. I have pushed this internal wg very very hard and have shaft speed sensor videos to prove it does not creep if setup properly.

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Old 02-18-2012, 01:01 PM   #847
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ok bariga - if the dual port doesnt work, please email me whats up and ill get it taken care of. Raffi's father passed away at the beginning of this week so he has been out of the office and unable to get back to everyone's messages. If you have emailed him with no response, please be patient. he will get back to you as soon as he returns

the water connections are identical to GT30/GT35 -- M14 nothing fancy there
the oil feed connection is -4 AN, it comes with the turbo
the oil drain connection is 3/8" NPT - no 2 bolt flange needed

the turbos are still on backorder - if youre waiting and want to try a different turbo i recommend S200SX 7670 external WG or S300SX FMW external WG.

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Old 02-18-2012, 02:32 PM   #848
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the turbos are still on backorder - if youre waiting and want to try a different turbo i recommend S200SX 7670 external WG or S300SX FMW external WG.
both those turbos are freakin rocking!

I like the efr and I suppose it's possible that Anton goofed something up with the IWG, but it acts like most IWGs on Subarus.

I know Geoff and the BW crew like the IWG, and claim there is no performance gain in an EWG on that turbo. However, I just don't see it being possible. If you reduce the amount of flow going into your exhaust post turbo, then you lower the back pressure and therefor get a better differential pressure across the turbine which means more turbine work which means more bypassed gasses through the EWG which means less back pressure on the engine which means better flow through the engine, more scavenging, more beneficial flow during overlap to cool hot spots and flush all exhaust gasses out of the cylinder. I suppose if you had a 4" exhaust you could possibly see the same performance on each, but at the hp levels we push a 3" exhaust would benefit from an EWG.

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Old 02-18-2012, 04:15 PM   #849
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Dom, I don't think anyone is expecting the IWG to be right onpar with an EWG. It's more of a balancing act of pros/cons especially with twinscroll. Twinscroll EWG means double the WGs, dump tubes, required room, etc. It's definitely a step above traditional IWG methods while lessoning the gap between that and EWG.

Dom, have you yourself messed with the actuator on Antons car yet? I know he did ALOT of tinkering with it. Maybe he did something to screw it up?

Also how well does the Vipec work with the hydramist system? I'm assuming direct port injection as well?
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How did u get that dyno pull at flat 20psi if it's spiking?
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