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Old 07-15-2012, 06:26 PM   #1326
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You need a competent tuner.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:29 PM   #1327
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Just leave. You are clueless
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:41 PM   #1328
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What made you use 5w50 if you don't mind me asking? I've always gone back n forth on 30 or 40 but never made the switch. First time seeing someone use 50.
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:41 PM   #1329
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Just leave. You are clueless
Personally dunno really know any of the parties involved in the build, and hope it works out well for Bariga - But R/TErnie, unless I'm mistaken, own an EFR 7670 - has put it on his evo (tuned on a ViPec) and has been making alot of power with it, so probably has more experience with that turbo than probably anyone else in this thread. Plus he owns an STI too....

http://forums.evolutionm.net/all-mit...4-efr7670.html

So I guess what I'm trying to say is people should probably think before calling someone clueless....
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:53 PM   #1330
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Based on his posts on here, I didn't see anything showing the fact that he is knowledgeable about it. If intact he is quite knowledgeable ... I would have thought he would have posted something more helpful to Bariga. ...

Anyhow.. I am eager to read his thread
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:55 PM   #1331
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RTe is a very knowledgeable user...Didn't even know he had an Sti. I am morepsitehbett4 on everywhere else but here, btw.


Layvon is a good guy, let's all get along, pls

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Old 07-15-2012, 08:57 PM   #1332
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You need a competent tuner.
Not a nice thing to say.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:02 PM   #1333
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After reading a bit of his thread on his Evo, definitely knows his stuff. So I retract my initial statement regarding being clueless. However - Dom has 99% positive reviews from customers and competitors alike, so the tuner bashing was a little out of line. I think that Bariga and Dom will soon show us what this EFR can do
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:25 AM   #1334
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Tuner bashing is all the rage. It leads to epic conversations like: "Bro my turbo seized", "Brah your oil pressure is tune related, serious" "Thanks Bro, that's what I thought"
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:39 PM   #1335
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So what are the results Anton?
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:08 PM   #1336
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Here are the results!
Half of day we were fighting stupid ass EFR boost control issues!
With perrin Actuator it was same results as Forge, boost goes to 18 psi and tappers to 15!

The only way to properly control the boost with "No Tapper"on IWG EFR is to run Perrin dual port Actuator and using 2 boost control Solenoids! Or one Quad port!



19 psi on pump
22 psi with meth

With 2 solenoids hooked up inline we had trouble with Vipec's PID seating had to make them at around .4 and duty cycles at 30%
I will come back on Dyno with 4 Port solenoid installed next month to see if we get better control of boost!

The car runs awesome full boost at 4200 rpm

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Old 07-19-2012, 02:00 PM   #1337
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Wow! 500 Wheel HP at only 23 psi!
I see no boost taper in your pressure graph though. I'd say it works as is?
Good job!
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:01 PM   #1338
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Wow! 500 Wheel HP at only 23 psi!
I see no boost taper in your pressure graph though. I'd say it works as is?
Good job!
After installing second boost solenoid we fixed the boost tapper!
That took good 3-4 hours!
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:12 PM   #1339
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I assume you mean to say that the "only way to have the ECU control the boost is with..."

Cause I am pretty sure an MBC or AVCR would do it
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:32 PM   #1340
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Well... insert regret I didn't get The EFR... nice graphs man.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:44 PM   #1341
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Well... insert regret I didn't get The EFR... nice graphs man.
Dom hated the design and i had to spend **** loads of dyno time and money to get it to work correctly, save time and money and buy EWG version!
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:47 PM   #1342
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Stick with what's proven. Ewg all the way!

So you're using closed loop boost control now right? How is part throttle response on it.

Like boosting 2 psi then suddenly mash it wot.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:03 PM   #1343
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I know that this sounds ridiculous, but rather than upgrade to the EWG version, you may want to just add ewg to the up pipes or get the ewg up pipe from Full Race. At the pressures you're running, the smaller 92 A/R is probably better suited to your driving style than the 1.05. It defeats the purpose of getting that model though, I know. It sure looks like a damn fun ride. Anyone with a tig can easily lock down the IWG flapper for you with a bracket. You could even just add preload to the arm and then tack it to the port, assuming the assembly is some form of steel.

Just curious (the ricer in me wants to know): Is the turbo as loud as the 83-75, like Alcoolaid's setup? I normally don't like psh psh sounds, but that turbo spool sounds cool as hell.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:09 PM   #1344
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I know that this sounds ridiculous, but rather than upgrade to the EWG version, you may want to just add ewg to the up pipes or get the ewg up pipe from Full Race. At the pressures you're running, the smaller 92 A/R is probably better suited to your driving style than the 1.05. It defeats the purpose of getting that model though, I know. It sure looks like a damn fun ride. Anyone with a tig can easily lock down the IWG flapper for you with a bracket. You could even just add preload to the arm and then tack it to the port, assuming the assembly is some form of steel.

Just curious (the ricer in me wants to know): Is the turbo as loud as the 83-75, like Alcoolaid's setup? I normally don't like psh psh sounds, but that turbo spool sounds cool as hell.
i really don't know what to say on this one, but all my friends say when i drive behind them all they hear is like jet engine taking off.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:10 PM   #1345
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Also on a side note, I'd ask for DOM to set the fuel boost cut rather close to target boost. I'd rather live with the irritation of hitting boost cut every so often, something like 25psi, as an alternative to trusting the IWG ability to regulate boost after seeing all the trouble it's caused.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:17 PM   #1346
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Also on a side note, I'd ask for DOM to set the fuel boost cut rather close to target boost. I'd rather live with the irritation of hitting boost cut every so often, something like 25psi, as an alternative to trusting the IWG ability to regulate boost after seeing all the trouble it's caused.
we set boost cut on dyno to 28 psi
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:29 PM   #1347
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Also on a side note, I'd ask for DOM to set the fuel boost cut rather close to target boost. I'd rather live with the irritation of hitting boost cut every so often, something like 25psi, as an alternative to trusting the IWG ability to regulate boost after seeing all the trouble it's caused.
You mean all the under boosting it's been doing?
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:44 PM   #1348
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The only way to properly control the boost with "No Tapper"on IWG EFR is to run Perrin dual port Actuator and using 2 boost control Solenoids! Or one Quad port!
Nice results. But this isn't true. Not to say my EFR hasn't been touchy, but I'm in good control with the stock 2 port and BW's high pressure actuator. No overrun, no taper. With the stock ECU running the show.

I agree that it did take a bit of work to nail down a combination that works well. Too much preset on the actuator or too small of a pill, and the turbo would run off on me...
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:40 PM   #1349
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Nice results. But this isn't true. Not to say my EFR hasn't been touchy, but I'm in good control with the stock 2 port and BW's high pressure actuator. No overrun, no taper. With the stock ECU running the show.

I agree that it did take a bit of work to nail down a combination that works well. Too much preset on the actuator or too small of a pill, and the turbo would run off on me...
Sadly it is true! Only way to get the tapper off is the pressuring the spring chamber on Perrin Actuator with 2nd boost valve, by tapper i mean like big drop from 18psi to 13psi.
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:47 PM   #1350
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Finally this threads has turned on some smiles Anton

I ended up going with some older technology and got a PTE 6262 with the ceramic bearings and billet wheel, and EWG.

Glad you got it with the dual port though.

Nice work... eager to see some boost in the middle of the efficiency range!
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