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Old 08-19-2010, 07:18 PM   #1
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Hi to all the fellow VIC riders.

While riding around I figured out it is way more effective, and easy to stay on the throttle while shifting gears. Basically don't roll off the throttle, clutch in, shift gears, clutch out while throttle is all this time applied.

This is of course different from rolling off throttle, shift gears, then rev match etc.

Actually found this by accident, as I had to emergency move out of a stupid truck's blind merge.

Is this in any way ruining the clutch? I have a Z1000 and I don't think it has a "slipper clutch"

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Old 08-19-2010, 08:02 PM   #2
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I dunno about bikes...but thats how i've always shifted in my car when im in a hurry.....

sounds like you're going to kill yourself on a bike doing that ahhaha
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Old 08-19-2010, 08:25 PM   #3
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Well knock on wood I don't speed on my bike but that was the first time I had to out of need. I of course used the clutch just stayed on contant throttle. Very smooth and I was out of there in no time
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Old 08-19-2010, 08:40 PM   #4
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Unless you're slipping the clutch excessively, I don't think it's a big deal. It will just result in a bit more clutch wear.

I'm not sure a slipper clutch would make much, if any, difference in this case. They're typically used to reduce the effect of engine braking, which wouldn't be the case here.
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Old 08-19-2010, 08:54 PM   #5
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^ thanks!
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Old 08-19-2010, 09:19 PM   #6
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When you upshift don't even bother with the clutch. Just preload the shifter, get off the gas a bit and upshift then back on the gas. As for downshift, what you described works pretty well. I've been doing it for a few years now. I've also learned the use the slipper clutch which has made me a bit sloppy on my downshifts.
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Old 08-19-2010, 09:23 PM   #7
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I've tried both methods and while not being an expert, seems a lot faster. Just worried about the wear and tear but the benefits might make it worth it... Thanks!
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Old 08-19-2010, 09:33 PM   #8
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I shift like you've described for "spirited riding" or quick shifts. Bike clutches are meant to be slipped, this is why they use a multi-plate wet clutch. You may wear the clutch a bit faster, but they are easy and relatively inexpensive to change anyways.
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Old 08-20-2010, 12:31 AM   #9
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ummm clutch to shift??? WTF
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:08 AM   #10
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ummm clutch to shift??? WTF


I've practiced what Yan mentioned, but not in the city as much...not quite pro yet but I can see how it is better
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:27 PM   #11
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When you upshift don't even bother with the clutch. Just preload the shifter, get off the gas a bit and upshift then back on the gas. As for downshift, what you described works pretty well. I've been doing it for a few years now. I've also learned the use the slipper clutch which has made me a bit sloppy on my downshifts.
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most bikes have sequential trans. they work a little different than your cars 5 speed, more like a racing dog box. they are always in a gear and can jump up or down without clutching, ajust throtle to reduce load on the gears and shift. you only need the clutch to start and stop. and as long as your close to min load no damage to the bike will occure

I'm on my 5th bike and never replace a clutch or gears on any.
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:32 PM   #12
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Man, I wish I still had my bike to try this... I always used the clutch to shift...Would this make a difference on a dry clutch or can the same "no clutching" be applied as well?
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:37 PM   #13
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With my bike I have an upgraded race clutch system where I can pre-load and shift up and down clutchless, can be done on most bike just mine is a bit smoother and not as hard on the clutch, up shifting is smooth on most bikes where down shifting is quite abrupt and causes slip on stock clutches. My shift pattern is also switched over 1 up 5 down for race and track shifting it quite different to drive LOL
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