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Old 10-28-2010, 12:00 PM   #426
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Skip the STi struts. The damping characteristics on them are similar to cheap, bouncy coilovers. I had a set on my car with RCE blacks and it was less than ideal for anything other than track days. When I went back to stock WRX struts and springs I was quite happy with the ride quality. Before selling the car I had planned on SPT springs in front and stock STi springs in the rear to lower the car just a bit and maintain suspension travel for ride quality.
thanks for the tip. What I really want is to be lowered about 2" with a stock feeling ride. Doesnt necessarily have to be slammed like i am with these COs. I remember my first car was a 2000 saturn with stock struts and 2.5" lowering springs and it rode exactly like stock, just a lot lower. Thats what I want, but i couldnt find springs that would do that for my stock struts.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:23 PM   #427
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That's because if you lower the car 2" with the stock length struts you won't have any bump travel left at all, even if you removed the bumpstops entirely. A 2" drop on stock struts is slammed.
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Old 10-28-2010, 03:25 PM   #428
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thanks for the tip. What I really want is to be lowered about 2" with a stock feeling ride. Doesnt necessarily have to be slammed like i am with these COs. I remember my first car was a 2000 saturn with stock struts and 2.5" lowering springs and it rode exactly like stock, just a lot lower. Thats what I want, but i couldnt find springs that would do that for my stock struts.
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That's because if you lower the car 2" with the stock length struts you won't have any bump travel left at all, even if you removed the bumpstops entirely. A 2" drop on stock struts is slammed.
^^ He's right. The design of Subaru's suspension isn't as friendly to lowering as most other tuner cars out there. Look at the Mach V springs. They provide a decent, attractive drop, aren't overly stiff, and aren't overly expensive. They would work just fine on stock struts. Just trim the bumpstops a little bit to get some travel back.
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Old 10-28-2010, 03:39 PM   #429
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That's because if you lower the car 2" with the stock length struts you won't have any bump travel left at all, even if you removed the bumpstops entirely. A 2" drop on stock struts is slammed.
do subaru struts suck that much? I had a saturn on stock struts lowered 2.5" and a mazda on stock struts lowered 2.25" and they had an AWESOME ride, and never came close to bottoming out.

I wouldnt say 2" is SLAMMED. my car is slammed now on the COs and its a good 4" lower than stock.
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Old 10-28-2010, 04:13 PM   #430
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That's because if you lower the car 2" with the stock length struts you won't have any bump travel left at all, even if you removed the bumpstops entirely. A 2" drop on stock struts is slammed.
It's definitely not slammed with a 2" drop. I was on Cobb sports, which is more than 2" and it rode awesome, and guess what no blown struts! It's a progressive spring, so it's harder to bottom out, which is associated with blowing of stock struts.
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:03 PM   #431
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do subaru struts suck that much?
It doesn't really have anything to do with the stock struts. It's merely a result of the suspension geometry. Subarus have a travel ratio of damn near 1 for the spring and shock, so every inch you lower the car is an inch of lost strut travel - when you only have 6-7" of travel to begin with 2" becomes a big issue fast.

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I had a saturn on stock struts lowered 2.5" and a mazda on stock struts lowered 2.25" and they had an AWESOME ride, and never came close to bottoming out.
You may be right about the ride, but I *highly* doubt you never came close to bottoming out. What year/model of each car?


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I wouldnt say 2" is SLAMMED. my car is slammed now on the COs and its a good 4" lower than stock.
There are two ways to lower a car using the struts. You can eat bump travel by allowing more droop (through lighter springs or less preload or whatever), or you can make the whole assembly shorter. Coilovers are typically shorter to begin with, so you can be lower while staying in the middle of the shock's stroke. Also, I really don't think your car is lowered anywhere near 4". You're barely tucked (if at all) and i don't think I've ever seen a stock leggy wagon with 4" of fender gap.



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It's definitely not slammed with a 2" drop.
Yes, it's definitely slammed with a 2" drop on stock struts

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I was on Cobb sports, which is more than 2"
1-5/8" front. 1-1/8" rear. Incidentally, that's still too low for good performance.

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and it rode awesome,
Subaru bump stops are soft and progressive. Also, with those drops you probably trimmed them.

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and guess what no blown struts!
I'm glad your setup didn't fail. That's definitely a good indicator of how it performed.

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It's a progressive spring,
All lowering springs, especially with high spring rates, are progressive. It's very difficult to get low enough at over 250 lb/in without making a progressive spring. Moreover, pretty much all springs aren't going to be enough to prevent bottoming out. The rates aren't even close to what a bump stop is, and aren't nearly enough for the forces involved with hitting bumps and stuff. Springs are only good for effecting low speed weight transfer. Everything else is the shocks and bumpstops.






EDIT: also, if you want to know how much you're dropped - MEASURE! You just need a tape measure. It's easy.

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Old 10-28-2010, 05:30 PM   #432
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That's what the ceo told me. Its the hand offs that raise the price. But I don't know. We will see how they are once I install
keep in mind that the CEO has an agenda other than telling you about the "extreme profit margin from hand offs" or whatever. did you ever stop to think that may be a sales pitch? im sure that the more he company sells, the more he gets paid.

that being said, for that price, i would like to see a write up on them to see how much they would raise my car from stock. im runnin on a low budget right now but even if they lasted the winter i would have enough money for a high quality setup, as well as enough time to research whats available and decide what the ideal setup would be for me.

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Old 10-28-2010, 06:14 PM   #433
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Sniper,

The other cars were 2000 SL2 and 2003 Protege5. Ok, so i dont really know whether i was close to bottoming out or not, but I know that I never did.

here's a pic of my car before the COs. I know those are different wheels but the tires are almost exactly the same outside diameter on both sets. It was JACKED UP. I could fit 4+ fingers here. Now I cant get one finger between the tire and fender, its just about flush. Take into account the angle i took the current pic at. I was actually a bit lower than the top of the tire so you cant see the tuck.
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Old 10-28-2010, 06:23 PM   #434
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Well, my four fingers is about 3", so maybe you're 4" down, but probably not more. Your wagon must have extra long struts like the forester - forester struts on an impreza is good for about an inch.
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:41 AM   #435
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ok, here is my opinion.

raceland=rotas
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Old 11-06-2010, 08:21 AM   #436
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Rotas come with all the things needed in a wheel. They're round.

These things, and i don't like judging like this but come on, don't even have bumpstops.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:46 AM   #437
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Really. Who cares? $400 COs are not aimed at the track-going public, but more to the ricers who want to be hella slammed. It seems the peoples who purchased these, be it here or on another board, slammed their cars. If you have any sense and plan on driving your unit beyond grandma style, you probably wouldn't buy these. You know what these would be great for, maybe? A unit made for 24hrs of Lemons.

I applaud the guy that can make these and sell them for that price. Because that guy is going to be rich. Just like the guy who invented halos, audi-leds, etc.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:50 AM   #438
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Because he has less patience with people who still live by the "ignorance is bliss" creed than some of us. I'm still doing it after 8 yrs, but basically anyone can tell you I'm meaner now than I was years ago. It's called growing cynical because of having to deal with so many selectively ignorant "know it all" kids.
You come off way too arrogant. Know-it-all. Interwebz knowledge. And cram your 8 years. You been on this board a year, with 7K posts. Which means you haven't been behind the wheel of a Subaru more than 2 hours total, tops in the last year. So what do you even know about real world applications other than what you regurgitate? You are always on the board.....
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:09 PM   #439
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so how are these holdin up?
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:48 PM   #440
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I would be interested to see a shock dyno of these when they are new, and then another 1 year later.
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I would be interested to see a shock dyno of these when they are new, and then another 1 year later.
No, these are not a good option for your XP car
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Old 11-18-2010, 03:00 AM   #442
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from their ebay add. hmmmm intresting

"This product is intended to be used only in race cars and or show vehicles. The Raceland coil over kit is not to be installed in vehicles driven on public roads."

still i might buy some and just see how they are.
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from their ebay add. hmmmm intresting

"This product is intended to be used only in race cars and or show vehicles. The Raceland coil over kit is not to be installed in vehicles driven on public roads."

still i might buy some and just see how they are.
I have a feeling that is just a disclaimer. Street use is going to be more abusive than track or show use. If someone breaks a coilover hitting a pot hole and manages to get into an accident Raceland can now simply point to this statement and claim that they notified customers the product is not designed for street use. This is nothing new. I believe a lot of coilover manufacturers make this statement with their products. Even the ones with a "street" version.
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:22 AM   #444
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I have Racelands on 2 of my VWs....f***ing sh**ty on the car that I actually want to drive and throw around in the corners, good on the show car that comes out like 4 times a year that just needs to look good. I needed a suspension in pinch, so I bought them (waste of money on my part). All the VW people have this big thing about them cause most of them just want to go 'low' and not really drive their cars (plus most of them are cheap b*stards!). I guess that is fine if that is your cup of tea, most of them aren't concerned with the handling characteristics of their cars. That is probably why most of them run no front sway bar and bag their rides. We're not talking about VW people though, so moving on.

They seem very 'bouncy', especially when going through a rough turn. The car just doesn't feel 'planted' at all. They are so soft! I am going to go with some PSS9s or something like that next year. I wouldn't dare put these on my Subaru because I am afraid it will compromise the handling. For $400 coilovers, you get what you pay for I guess. I wonder how long they last before they start to leak.
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I run racelands on my mk4 golf. I would say they are absolutely worth every penny. Sure it's a rough ride but what are you going to expect with almost triple the spring rates and having your oil pan 6 inches from the ground.

For those of you who are skeptical of raceland parts take a good read at this thorough review : http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...light=raceland
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I have a feeling that is just a disclaimer. Street use is going to be more abusive than track or show use. If someone breaks a coilover hitting a pot hole and manages to get into an accident Raceland can now simply point to this statement and claim that they notified customers the product is not designed for street use. This is nothing new. I believe a lot of coilover manufacturers make this statement with their products. Even the ones with a "street" version.
raceland has one of the best customer service reputations. they are not stupid and fully back their warranties even if you drive on the street.
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I run racelands on my mk4 golf. I would say they are absolutely worth every penny. Sure it's a rough ride but what are you going to expect with almost triple the spring rates and having your oil pan 6 inches from the ground.

For those of you who are skeptical of raceland parts take a good read at this thorough review : http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...light=raceland
Great! I love reading reviews on suspension products that claim a performance gain written by a bunch of car owners who's only criteria for evaluation can be summed up with "stance" and "flush".

Listen, if you want stance or poke or hella flush, then by all means, get these. If you want any performance gains, keep looking.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that these aren't good for something (looks and broke car modders), we're just saying that you cannot expect a solid performance from them. Then again, what do I know, stiff and low equal suspension performance right?

This guy in the VW thread summed it up perfectly:
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There were 270 shipped and i got the outcome i wanted, and that was to be low.
Fortunately, the majority of people with WRX's and STI's are concerned with performance. At least in the Suspension sub-forum.

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Incorrect, the springs are not like paper clips. They are nice and stiff. 450/280 lb/in. Or about 8K/5K kg/mm. Weight distribution of these cars are so horrid that they need such a stiff front spring in relation to the rear. The less the front rolls the less camber the fronts lose too.

Though I couldn't get the fronts high enough. I guess there's not as much adjustability as I'd want. The camber plates are nice. Though the rear pillowballs are noisy. But from what I've read, almost all pillowballs are noisy. I'm currently trying to find a way to mount these to stock rear strut mounts.
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Are you talking about a Subaru? While a higher rate spring in the front will help to maintain dynamic camber having the rear rates so much softer will only worsen the understeer.

If you can't get the front high enough this is just one of the problems of one size fits all suspension. It's designed to only be "slammed". Pillowballs aren't noisy until they're worn out. Improperly installed or poor quality parts are noisy...
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^would a stiff rear swaybar help?
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