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Old 08-22-2010, 09:09 PM   #26
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Honestly i believe it cost 150-200$ to make coil overs but everybody wants a piece of the pie!
You're wrong. Full stop. I make and sell these tools. They cost $45 shipped, and they can't sell for any less. And the tube, nut, and washer cost almost nothing in bulk. Basically, I sell a threaded rod with wrench flats and a threaded hole for $45, and I literally can't bring the price down at all. You won't save any money buying the tooling and material to make them yourself, either.

I also have made a couple sets of coilover conversion kits - to make those in small production volumes would cost me about $300 per kit. And that's just some spring perches, threaded tubing, and springs. I honestly can't even fathom making a set of coilovers for less than a thousand retail, let alone less than $400.



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SO, i'm hoping these people from raceland are a mom/pop shop that just hasn't got spoiled with all the $$$ and sell quality parts for reasonable price.
Not a chance. Business has no room for people who aren't out to make a buck.



EDIT: By the way, I'm lumping $1k kits in with this crap. Those are hardly any better. The cheapest coilovers worth buying for multipurpose use would probably be the RCE T0's which come in at $1,900 without tophats.
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Old 08-22-2010, 09:50 PM   #27
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i think there's a lot of people who are seriously just waiting/expecting/hoping for a company that gives parts away for free.
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:45 AM   #28
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I'd make sure to sue them after you diaf.
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:11 PM   #29
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For 388 bucks, I can GUARANTEE "quality control" is nonexistent. How can you pay an employee to qc products when your profit margin is god knows how low. Maybe 20%? The companies there to snap up as many customers a possible and do volume to make a buck, versus low volume / high quality, upper price point.
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:05 PM   #30
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Some of you guys are falling into the wrong assumption trap. You should never assume Cheap==Junk just as you should never assume Junk==Cheap.

Even name brand products have their own problems. I won't dig up old threads but there at least a dozen threads on name-brand springs breaking, name-brand struts clunking, and $400 pillow ball mounts cracking.
The worst one I've seen a coilover breaking in half at a track day. This coilover is roughly in the 3k-4k price range:


Raceland coilovers might garbage. I don't know, I've never used them. But until someone provides objective facts, one should avoid slandering products they have never used.
I have to admit that to put together a coilover package together all for $400 is an impressive task.
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Old 08-23-2010, 02:00 PM   #31
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I'll admit that expensive doesn't necessarily mean nice, however cheap almost invariably means junk. You can sell a cheap part for too much, but you can't make an expensive part cost less.

I work in manufacturing, i'm pretty familiar with how much it costs to make stuff. I can tell you right now that it's just not possible to get a good product with that much complexity at that price. You can't even do it when you pull out all the stops and have it made by some kid in indonesia using a chisel and hand auger by the bushel. Decent spherical bearings alone will cost half that on the market...

Hell, you can barely get a set of OEM replacement struts for that, and you can be sure that the OEM equipment is made to be as cheap as possible while still being "good enough".



EDIT: also, looking at the picture - there doesn't appear to be enough room for bumpstops under that dust boot.

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Old 08-23-2010, 05:03 PM   #32
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read this review and then read his updated post #16..... also.... lol at the about us section of the raceland website...

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=710693
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:08 PM   #33
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wow this great. I was looking into getting raceland coilovers for my e36 325is few months back, then just had a MK3 jetta, samething raceland coilovers for 288 shippied. Now for wrx DAM! lol Event ho it says for gen 2, this will work on my GC8?
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:14 PM   #34
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wow this great. I was looking into getting raceland coilovers for my e36 325is few months back, then just had a MK3 jetta, samething raceland coilovers for 288 shippied. Now for wrx DAM! lol Event ho it says for gen 2, this will work on my GC8?

Coilovers of this quality should never touch an e36 chassis or any bmw for that matter.....

I'm sorry but I would love it if you didnt use your vtec slang in here.
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:24 PM   #35
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Coilovers of this quality should never touch an e36 chassis or any bmw for that matter.....

I'm sorry but I would love it if you didnt use your vtec slang in here.
Im sorry did I say sothing wrong? Vtec slang? Ive never owned a pos honda ty. The quality of the raceland coilovers arnt that bad. I know plenty of people who run this. Same goes for VW's. They have yet to have problems. Now its not no where near "top of the line" for for the price you cant beat it. Im sorry if im a subaru noob ,but that dosnt mean you get to act a hardass. This tread is about raceland coilovers dont change the subject.
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Old 08-23-2010, 07:05 PM   #36
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should i BUY or should I not BUY..hmmmm
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:03 PM   #37
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hmmmm.....

Do I want to stake my life in a 270whp car on Coilovers that cost 65$ a piece?

Do I want to take the word of a guy driving a BMW who first says his car still rides prety well with blown struts and then puts 65$/corner coilovers on?

hmmmmm......
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:05 PM   #38
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Some of you guys are falling into the wrong assumption trap. You should never assume Cheap==Junk just as you should never assume Junk==Cheap.

Even name brand products have their own problems. I won't dig up old threads but there at least a dozen threads on name-brand springs breaking, name-brand struts clunking, and $400 pillow ball mounts cracking.
The worst one I've seen a coilover breaking in half at a track day. This coilover is roughly in the 3k-4k price range:


Raceland coilovers might garbage. I don't know, I've never used them. But until someone provides objective facts, one should avoid slandering products they have never used.
I have to admit that to put together a coilover package together all for $400 is an impressive task.

getting 4 decent struts for 400 is an impressive task
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:33 PM   #39
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If you read the website, they say their parts are ISO 9001 and TUV certified.
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:19 PM   #40
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parts do not get ISO9000 certified, companies do. ISO9000 is process control - you can make ****ty parts to ISO9000 standards.

ISO certification is not something you typically advertise to the end user.
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:25 PM   #41
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parts do not get ISO9000 certified, companies do. ISO9000 is process control - you can make ****ty parts to ISO9000 standards.

ISO certification is not something you typically advertise to the end user.
But we are both end users and know somewhat what it is. Hopefully it means they aren't cranked out in a sweatshop by blind 9 year old welders.

TUV surely does test parts.

My point is just because these are cheap doesn't mean they are junk.
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:36 PM   #42
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If it seems too good to be true, it probably is...
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:41 PM   #43
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But we are both end users and know somewhat what it is.

Except I know what it is because I work in manufacturing, where it's important. That certification means diddly as a consumer, because a quality part is simply the one the engineer asked for. If the engineer asked for crap and got crap he received quality parts.

The only thing ISO9000 tells you is that when you ask for crap you get it.


Hell, it doesn't even really mean that.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:58 PM   #44
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The absolute rock bottom of suspension would be something that holds the car up off ground, doesn't break hopefully, and maybe slows the spring down a bit with some damping so the car doesn't bounce too much. If that is all the consumer demands then I am sure that can be done for $300 or whatever.

lol at the Kool-aid drinkers. You really want to believe the free market doesn't work in the least, and good suspension can be had cheap if someone could just eliminate the middle man...you're tired of reputable companies with their simple, expensive parts. You want the extra features someone at your position in life deserves in their suspension. You want go with the underdog, the upstart who is going to challenge the big boys without charging you an arm and a leg.*

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love to see Feal, TiC, or RaceComp get ahold of a set of these.
MSI will get on it ASAP ... 388$ ?? I am more than curious. That puts it under the price of ANYTHING that I have ever come across. Heck, it is almost 1/2 our price of a front pair of top mounts. Or 1 DMS Progressive spring with shipping + 80$ and a Big Mac Trio?
I know we are not cheap, but less than 400$ for four shocks WITH mounts ?

Anyhow ... more to come once we get a set ... and put on one of OUR cars and OUR professional rally drivers .....

Perhaps it is simply a typeout on their website ? 1388$ maybe ?

Out of interest, on their home page : http://www.racelandus.com/t-about.aspx
The Mr. Blok made a few claims, some of which caught my attention, namely the x5 time Canadian champion ?

I brought up the lifetime standings page for CARS rally .... am I missing something?

http://carsrally.ca/CARSRally/Default.aspx?tabid=135

If I have missed something or am mis-informed, someone please advise me.

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MSI will get on it ASAP ... 388$ ?? I am more than curious. That puts it under the price of ANYTHING that I have ever come across. Heck, it is almost 1/2 our price of a front pair of top mounts. Or 1 DMS Progressive spring with shipping + 80$ and a Big Mac Trio?
I know we are not cheap, but less than 400$ for four shocks WITH mounts ?

Anyhow ... more to come once we get a set ... and put on one of OUR cars and OUR professional rally drivers .....

Perhaps it is simply a typeout on their website ? 1388$ maybe ?
Don't think so considering the price for other cars.

I'm glad a reputable company has decided to test these.
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The absolute rock bottom of suspension would be something that holds the car up off ground, doesn't break hopefully, and maybe slows the spring down a bit with some damping so the car doesn't bounce too much. If that is all the consumer demands then I am sure that can be done for $300 or whatever.

lol at the Kool-aid drinkers. You really want to believe the free market doesn't work in the least, and good suspension can be had cheap if someone could just eliminate the middle man...you're tired of reputable companies with their simple, expensive parts. You want the extra features someone at your position in life deserves in their suspension. You want go with the underdog, the upstart who is going to challenge the big boys without charging you an arm and a leg.*

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Nice! i'm glad i started this thread! I cant wait to get the results from MSI! Please keep us updated..any update on your suspension soju? OH and its not a TYPO its really $388..thats why im SO curious to find out what is the truth about these suspension!
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but doesn't raceland offer a 2year warranty on the coilovers??
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but doesn't raceland offer a 2year warranty on the coilovers??
Is the warranty unconditional and available in writing? You see, once you've put a part on your car and it fails, that means you must be the one who effed it up because it was fine when it left the shop.
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