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Old 03-13-2012, 01:47 PM   #651
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Are byzantium and scooby921 Manufacturing Engineers? Or are they just two 'arm-chair quarterbacks' who are grasping at straws (hehe) trying to explain something they don't understand? People often make things up to explain that which they don't understand... Religion, for example.
As a matter of fact, yes, Scooby921 IS an engineer in the automotive industry.
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:51 PM   #652
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What automotive related company does he work for and is he hiring?!
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:30 AM   #653
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Haha.. wow, after reading through this thread I have to admit, it's true what they say about some people being leaders and some people just being followers. Something I find very interesting when products are on the spotlight for compare and contrast, is how quickly everyone forgets the past and how items purchased for high prices have been known to fail under many circumstances since the dawn of the industrial age.

Here is something for the wise and the inexperienced. When you plan on doing a job, you choose a tool that will get the job done that has been designed for that specific job. For example, you think that large video game companies use AMD quad core processors to run their comps? Probably not. Provided they are trying to obtain the most advanced gaming experience at the time for the end users, they probably use some of the best processors available. At the current time period, that would be the Intel Core i7 series. Does that frankly mean that AMD is something you as a consumer should avoid entirely? That's a Direct NO! When QC is in question, you cannot compare products that have been designed for different objectives. I personally love Intel, but having said that, AMD may be the exact fit for your need and your budget. To further this, people who use a computer for simple internet browsing and file storage should not be suggested to buy an Intel Core i7. They simply DON'T NEED IT. Just like people who use their vehicle for normal use don't need Tein or HKS or Cusco straddling the shell of their car. This goes with everything in life. The saying is true in some ways... you do get what you pay for, but with companies like Raceland and their coilovers, you're not paying for a set up that is designed to be track driven only. They are engineered for normal use with mild track use in mind. I mean think about it would you compare Sony to Vizio, Pioneer to American DJ, Makita to Black and Decker? NO. They are all designed with different intentions and standards in mind. Considering none of those secondary companies I listed are out of business I would proceed to conclude that they must be worth the buy, even if they may not be as good as the primary companies.

To continue this post I say to you all, don't hate because something isn't designed as good as something else. Open up your mind and realize that it's probably been engineered that way. It's simple math people, buy what is designed to suit your needs, nothing more nothing less. Raceland offers a 2 year warranty with these coilovers, so honestly, how could anyone looking for a coilover of this nature pass them up if even only to own them until they are offered a refund from them breaking. As long as I don't lose my money in the end I'm willing to test run just about anything. Besides with technology changing so fast these days, what more than a few items can you buy now that actually last/or that you keep more than a year or two anyway. To take this even a step further, look at Apple. I can guarantee that they're not worth the money people pay for them. Neither are they worth the following that people give them. People buy them because they are whats "in" at the moment. Like I said most of the world are followers. I would be outraged if I spent $800 on an iPad and 6 months later they make the new one with a Camera. Yeah, that was a buy worth cherishing. Besides, my personal computer would easily put anything they offer to shame, and it cost me half the money to build than they charge for their best system. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

So, to those of you who are planning on going Raceland and have now had there decision altered by the majority of these posts, don't listen to the pompous hot headed people on here who have nothing good to say about anything but the most expensive products available. The majority of them are probably just upset that they overspend on products they don't need just because they want to be a follower of what is, in a way, "trending" in the tuner world. If there is anything that life has taught me it's, DO WHAT YOU WANT AND CATER TO YOUR NEEDS, NOT THEIRS. Just be smart about it. And if you make a mistake, you learn from it, which in the end only gives you experience that in turn leads to wisdom. Not a bad trade off if you ask me.

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Old 04-12-2012, 02:47 AM   #654
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Oh and by the way, I myself have purchased a set of Raceland coilovers for my 97 Impreza L and in no way am I regretting my decision. I will try to get some pics of them after install and also try to keep updates of how they have treated me. I've owned and worked with many Subaru's over the last 6 years. I've personally owned a brand new 06 STi for two years and did many modifications to it. Some of which were from companies that may not be "top notch", but never the less, I had absolutely no problems with it, EVER. I also owned a 04 WRX. That was not modified as much as my STi but no matter. Now because of financial reasons I've had to regress to my 97 impreza which I hope to swap to a 2.5 soon. I live my life and do what makes me happy with what I'm given.
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:01 AM   #655
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Wow that post took longer then it did for raceland to make the junk you installed on your car.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:15 AM   #656
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I get the whole message but this thread is about raceland coilovers. Did you see the failed damper shafts a few pages back? No matter what needs or desires you have, I would not jeopardize safety, yours and others. is the warranty really worth it? Is having another set of these shipped right away to you when yours fail catastrophically really worth it?

Quality parts from other brand name, expensive companies can fail as well. All I know is that these companies, those that I have read about have admitted to the fault, explained changes to the design to prevent future repeated issues and provided the newer version at no cost.

What has Raceland done since this failure? What has other small name companies have done when their products fail and a lawsuit was pending? They ran to a foreign country.

I would keep safety in mind. Until you find out what Raceland has done exactly to address the failure, I do not recommend you get these coilovers.
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:00 PM   #657
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Did you see the failed damper shafts a few pages back?
You mean the BC coilover, JIC coilover, and MazdaSpeed coilover that experienced catastrophic failure ? Unbelievable isn't it? You spend 2 to 5 times more than Racelands and STILL get defective parts.
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:19 PM   #658
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Glad you brought those up. I wouldn't invest in those either for safety.
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You mean the BC coilover, JIC coilover, and MazdaSpeed coilover that experienced catastrophic failure ? Unbelievable isn't it? You spend 2 to 5 times more than Racelands and STILL get defective parts.
It's kind of a conundrum isn't it?
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:10 PM   #660
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I get the whole message but this thread is about raceland coilovers. Did you see the failed damper shafts a few pages back? No matter what needs or desires you have, I would not jeopardize safety, yours and others. is the warranty really worth it? Is having another set of these shipped right away to you when yours fail catastrophically really worth it?

Quality parts from other brand name, expensive companies can fail as well. All I know is that these companies, those that I have read about have admitted to the fault, explained changes to the design to prevent future repeated issues and provided the newer version at no cost.

What has Raceland done since this failure? What has other small name companies have done when their products fail and a lawsuit was pending? They ran to a foreign country.

I would keep safety in mind. Until you find out what Raceland has done exactly to address the failure, I do not recommend you get these coilovers.
Unless you are the victim u can't determine whether something breaks because of a manufacturers defect or because it was simply abused. The truth is, people lie. All the time in fact. Epecially when they are being peered upon by people who give them the idea that if anything happens to the product it should be labeled as junk. So, if someone does abuse an item and misuse it, it's almost always easier to say that there was a defect to avoid getting verbally bashed and judged.

I'm not saying that everyone on here lies, I'm only saying, don't just jump on the band wagon, do your own research with the product before you put a label on it.
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:13 PM   #661
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stop trying to justify that these coilovers dont suck. they do, point blank period.

i ran them, i know first hand they suck. guess what im on now? springs and stock struts, its THAT much better.
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If that is truly the case, I guess I will find out myself. Like I said they offer a warranty and a 30 day money back guarrantee.
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No, they don't suck, point blank period. I run them now, and I know first hand they don't suck.

These things ride way better than KYB AGXs and still control the chassis firmly.
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No, they don't suck, point blank period. I run them now, and I know first hand they don't suck.

These things ride way better than KYB AGXs and still control the chassis firmly.
Lol, now ^ that's good right there.
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the strut valving is all wrong, the spring rates are too light, and the bearings in the camber/upper plates should just be made of sand instead.

i never blew a strut or anything, but all four bearings in the upper mounts were gone (completely, all four clunky corners). i couldnt keep the wheels/tires/axles from rubbing because of the light spring rates. yeah, i was running low, but that is what these are meant for. they are for the cheap slammer crowd.

did they work? sure. do other options work better? hell ****ing yes. i sold them for dirt ass cheap just to get out from under them and to fund a set of springs. cant be rocking around town driving a monster truck like the stock springs promote...

i ran them from april of 2011 until november of 2011. that doesnt seem like a very good life cycle to me. they took me on two long road trips and i never physically broke anything, but they were garbage from the beginning. the rear strut tops clunked out of the box, brand new. i remedied it with the knob on my radio. they were tight in every spot they should have been tight and still clunked. the bearings are junk. that is my one true gripe and ill stick to that forever.
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Just don't slam them to the ground. I run them at this ride height:

And they ride very well. I will agree with you about the spherical bearings. That's why I'm going to spend less than $100 and get all new ones from Aurora Bearing company...
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Unless you are the victim u can't determine whether something breaks because of a manufacturers defect or because it was simply abused. The truth is, people lie. All the time in fact. Epecially when they are being peered upon by people who give them the idea that if anything happens to the product it should be labeled as junk. So, if someone does abuse an item and misuse it, it's almost always easier to say that there was a defect to avoid getting verbally bashed and judged.

I'm not saying that everyone on here lies, I'm only saying, don't just jump on the band wagon, do your own research with the product before you put a label on it.
if you're talking about the functional-suspension bandwagon, then yes, I definitely jumped on that one. Or the one that doesn't turn a blind eye to broken damper shafts and wouldn't recommend them until the issue is resolved by the manufacturer? or the don't jeopardize your life bandwagon?

have YOU researched? did you read the thread where those pictures came from?

these are for street and occasional track use? can you imagine what would happen if you were on the track with these coilovers as a damper shaft breaks?

in my opinion, when something like this happens, it is no longer about cheap price - cheap ride. it brings a whole other perspective which is safety. You guys might think I'm going overboard with safety but being a veteran with a tour overseas and now a civilian employed in the sales delivery industry, I don't take safety for granted, my own or anyone else around me.

go stick with your warranty and money back guarantee.

I'll stick with my safety.
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Then maybe I should share that one of my best friends spent over 1200 on Stance LX+ for his 04 sti and he now has had to have one of them replaced by the manufacturer twice and now has issues with all of them just from hitting dip in the freeway at roughly 80 mph. We're talking about safety here right, I'm pretty sure that after spending 1200 he still isn't any safer than I may be after spending what I will. Again I'm not buying Raceland for track use at all. If I was planning on tracking a car I would invest in fully track engineered products. There's no need here for paranoia and over analization. Never the less we can always agree to disagree.
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Wow that post took longer then it did for raceland to make the junk you installed on your car.
Thanks for the laugh Joe!
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Then maybe I should share that one of my best friends spent over 1200 on Stance LX+ for his 04 sti and he now has had to have one of them replaced by the manufacturer twice and now has issues with all of them just from hitting dip in the freeway at roughly 80 mph. We're talking about safety here right, I'm pretty sure that after spending 1200 he still isn't any safer than I may be after spending what I will. Again I'm not buying Raceland for track use at all. If I was planning on tracking a car I would invest in fully track engineered products. There's no need here for paranoia and over analization. Never the less we can always agree to disagree.
You're comparing junk to slightly better junk.
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Thanks for the laugh Joe!
That's what I am here for. I guess my user name gave me away haha
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These things are like $ 500 now too. Not as much of a deal as they once were. I know $ 500 for coils is still dirt cheap.
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I bet none of you have hit equivalent to a 3.5" curb at 45 mph jump the car and popped and bent all four wheels. My racelands were still going. I ran them for about a year, and through the winter.... I finally noticed that one of the fronts were leaking and I couldn't adjust the ride height due to all the salt corroding them. But they were still going strong! I sent them to raceland and they are replacing them all under warranty. Most of the people that complain about the "bearing noise" have the spring preload set too high. Raceland only allows a 5mm spring preload for corner... Most people just crank them down because they want the stiffer ride... Hope this helps!
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What automotive related company does he work for and is he hiring?!
I have worked for Paulstra CRC Corp, Freudenberg-NOK, Tokai Rubber Industries, and now GKN Driveline. At the first three I did product development of automotive anti-vibration rubber products (CAD design, product testing and analysis, failure analysis, supplier development, product launch, manufacturing support, etc). At GKN I now do driveline system calibration. I'm currently getting paid to drive cars around at various test sites and calibrate the response of our AWD systems.

Given the state of the automotive industry and the fact that things are starting to rebound I would assume that any/all of those companies are looking to hire more people. Have at it! I think my company is looking to hire a new calibrator to work with me. Need to know Matlab, Simulink, and understand vehicle dynamics though.




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stop trying to justify that these coilovers dont suck. they do, point blank period.

i ran them, i know first hand they suck. guess what im on now? springs and stock struts, its THAT much better.
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That's what I am here for. I guess my user name gave me away haha
Lets not try to turn this thread back into bash-fest. Many pages ago I thought we all agreed to let the would-be Raceland owners spend their money how they choose. We know they aren't buying a top-notch product. I hope after reading this thread they at least understand that they aren't getting great value for their money. The most we can hope for is that people know what they're getting themselves into and don't come back in here to bitch about things they've been told.
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