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Old 01-14-2012, 12:03 PM   #126
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U are the man, great work!!! Screw the 3071 and be the first person to do two vf39's, I promise it will fit drifting way better and u have the fab ability and it would be cheaper.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:40 AM   #127
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^ haha twin turbo. Funny you mention it as that is what my buddy Eric said as well. I don't think I would do it. If I did anything it would be a compound setup with like a gt15/ suby turbo and a gtx30. I haven't seen any twin setups that perform well on boxers. An to the fab ability, I don't know about exhaust header fab haha. Kinda tricky and don't think I'm quiet there yet.

Thanks though yeah DIY ftw! If you watch vids of naoki nakamura (team burst, regarded by many as the best drifter in the world) he built his entire car himself and there is vids of him hammering away on the car trackside to do repairs. Thats the way to roll. I'm an accountant, it's not like this **** can't be done by anyone with a little bit of learning and what not, no matter what you do. Just strap on a pair and go for it!
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:46 AM   #128
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There were factory tt subarus.
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:33 AM   #129
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For sure. Jdm legacy. 1st and 2nd gen. Im just not into the power band.
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:39 AM   #130
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only 2nd gen
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:29 AM   #131
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This car/thread is getting epic. This might be one of my favorite drift Subaru threads evar!
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:40 AM   #132
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:46 PM   #133
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2 GT20s, i'm telling you it would give you everything you're after
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:16 PM   #134
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Thanks everybody! Axelthrasher, that's really sweet of you. But honestly, in my opinion, until its driving and there are pics of it hitting 4th gear reverse entries with a plume of smoke behind it, it ain't **** and neither am I in the motorsports world! My favorites are Logan's Legacy and Russel's sti.

Logan (bmxkelowna)


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http://www.apexusblog.com/2011/07/ca...rift-spec-sti/

Got the main hoop of the cage bent today. Hoped to get further, but satisfied that I got this done. Rest of the cage build shouldn't be too hard. Took two tries to bend it, as I didn't factor in the width of the top bends in the overall width of the top and first hoop was too wide. So I cut that one up and will utilize the b pillar bars in another area of the cage. The second bend of the hoop fits like a glove though. Couldn't have been happier with it. Perfect amount of width at the roof bar for welding in the halo and everything.







for anyone looking to ever do a cage, this write up is awesome:

Alright everyone, I'm going to make this my last post in here until the cars done and sliding again. I need to make this thread more quality and less quantity. I'll prolly still take pics of the build, but I'll just be posting them on my photobucket account if you want to check it out.

Hopefully soon you'll be seeing this car doing some swag stunt skidding...

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Old 02-03-2012, 04:37 PM   #135
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I tubbed mine before I started driving but your front tires are rubbing in completely different places than mine.

Whats the scene with your steering knuckles, did you cut those yet? looking at the pics of yours it seems like I added ackerman when I cut mine.

So far for angle I've got
-7mm taken out of the knuckle, straight down the steering arm.
-240SX tie rod inner spacers.
-245/40/17 T1R on the front 17x9.5 +10ish
-STi Aluminum Arms with SPL Tie rod shank spacers at the back to add caster

I'm getting 48 on the inside wheel and I'm prolly going have to build longer LCAs to get more without going down on tire size. its rubbing at the back on the frame rail and LCA.

I was thinking about going to my 30mm spacer to make it a 17x9.5 0ish to see if I could keep it from rubbing at the lock it has, but it'll prolly start looking like 2008 Formula D car with the front wheels sticking out.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:05 PM   #136
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DJ it was nice meeting you at firebird last week, sorry we didn't get to talk more because I had to split since I got called in by work. Im looking forward to seeing the finished car at one of the upcoming drag and drift nights.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:29 PM   #137
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for anyone looking to ever do a cage, this write up is awesome:
WOW! I never knew they dropped the cage. I've seen guys remove the roof skin to weld the whole cage
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:59 PM   #138
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DJ it was nice meeting you at firebird last week, sorry we didn't get to talk more because I had to split since I got called in by work. Im looking forward to seeing the finished car at one of the upcoming drag and drift nights.
Heard Dustin and you got some clips while sliding my 240 at the event, to bad you guys still had the suspension all set up for the street though! Next time you'll know

keep up the sexy build brother!
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Old 02-08-2012, 03:14 AM   #139
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Whats the scene with your steering knuckles, did you cut those yet? looking at the pics of yours it seems like I added ackerman when I cut mine.

So far for angle I've got
-7mm taken out of the knuckle, straight down the steering arm.
-240SX tie rod inner spacers.
-245/40/17 T1R on the front 17x9.5 +10ish
-STi Aluminum Arms with SPL Tie rod shank spacers at the back to add caster

I'm getting 48 on the inside wheel and I'm prolly going have to build longer LCAs to get more without going down on tire size. its rubbing at the back on the frame rail and LCA.

I was thinking about going to my 30mm spacer to make it a 17x9.5 0ish to see if I could keep it from rubbing at the lock it has, but it'll prolly start looking like 2008 Formula D car with the front wheels sticking out.
yeah i recently found out about the sti aluminum arms from Logan. For those that don't know, the 04-06 STI LCA's move the knuckle a tad bit out and forward, adding more caster than the wrx arms. Thank god too because I was about to chop into the frame rail in the rear of the wheel well. That would have been bad. I don't want to mess with that area really. But yeah thankfully found out about the STI LCA's which might help me from doing that, or at least as extensively as i thought i was going to do. Suprised to hear your still rubbing on those arms though as they are skinnier than the wrx.



I drilled my knuckles like this:


It gave it a ton more angle than stock of course. I run similar to you, impreza l rack, and 17x9 +17 on 245/40. And yeah they hit everywhere. LCA was grinding the rim and yeah wheel well and frame rail. I did mess around with running an inch spacer, which surprisingly didn't look too weird even with the stock fenders. The issue was the "flop" over effect it gave. Since before basically the frame rail and LCA limited angle, with the spacers that wasn't an issue. It had a ton more angle and the wheels would flop to full lock really easily in transition. You would think thats a good thing, but I didn't like it. It was super hard to get it out of full lock. Like i don't think it was binding but like a magnetic feel where you had to really force it to get it out of full lock and made corrections harder. I'm not sure what was causing this as caster didn't change. Maybe the angle of the tie rods, maybe catching on the seam that runs in the rear of the wheel well or something, no clue. It was weird.

In terms of ackerman, I'm not sure what my mod did. I feel it didn't really effect it, at least in any way I could tell. Then again I did the knuckles when I installed the RWD spool so nothing really to compare to haha. Without the wheel spacers the car had a really soft floaty feel to it and transitioned really easily. Never noticed a pull or inner wheel scrubbing or anything. Though angle was limited it felt like it had plenty of angle. I am definitely going to be trying to dial the steering in once the car is running again as I feel this is the area that is most critical with making Suby's drift good. Once RWD, balance, power and everything is there really except the steering angle. I feel its probably the reason others, like Eric O'Sullivan and Walton Smith have had issues with spinning in Suby's. I'm sure all us Suby drifters will be touch later on this season and share tips to get our cars dialed!

Also wanted to throw this out there. Think it might have some drift potential At least for those scared to mod knuckles.

Car is coming along slowly. Not going to make vegas proam thats for sure

I broke my promise to not post until the car was sliding. ****.

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Old 02-08-2012, 03:52 AM   #140
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I need to come see this thing sometime, changed a lot since I last saw it. Good work DJ!
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:06 PM   #141
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The arms aren't catching too bad, just a little, more on the frame if you shim where the steel meets the aluminum on those you get a bit more caster and forward movement on the outter ball joint. mine are shimmed about 7mm with some aluminum peices from S13 tie rods.

Man, with your knuckles that short it must be like a steering quickener on a 240. Thats insane, mine are like 1/3rd of that movement and the steering is crazy fast. Also that 'fall over' feel is pretty common on cars with steering knuckles, yours are so short I bet its just amplifying that. Also the stiff return is pretty common on super short knuckles.

Right now with how short the knuckles are I'm limiting out the rack about the same time as the tire hits. until I do longer LCAs it just is what it is. A few of the dudes on that facebook group seem like they're getting pretty rad angle with 235/40s though.
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:02 PM   #142
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A little something to keep you motivated good sir


PS. everyone out here in Thailand loves the subi haha they are always asking when i'll have some more updates/results from tuning your new engine set up. Who knows you may even inspire a Thai drifaru if your not to careful
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Old 05-29-2012, 11:01 AM   #143
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Thats an awesome setup man, dont care what anyone says... I would drive the holy shist outta that whip! ...luuuckky
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Old 06-04-2012, 08:19 PM   #144
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wait so does altering the hub like that shorten or quicken the steering ratio as well as add angle. what's the ratio of that impreza L rack?
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:57 AM   #145
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wait so does altering the hub like that shorten or quicken the steering ratio as well as add angle. what's the ratio of that impreza L rack?
yo man, in response to your question...

I feel the steering column is primarily what people refer to when talking about how "quick" of a ratio the steering is. The 08+ sti rack is 2.8 turns lock to lock i think. 04 is like 3 and wrx is like 3.25? impreza l is 3.5. but what i did was move the pivot point of the tie-rod closer towards the middle, the wheel bearing, so basically for each movement of the steering wheel (which in turns moves the rack/tie rod) the wheel turns with more angle. So yeah, i guess you could say it quickens the steering, similar to what a quick ratio column or steering quickener does. Perrin actually makes a modification that does this. http://www.perrinperformance.com/p/187

If you are looking for quicker, more responsive steering, look into this mod from perrin as it is cheaper and easier to do than a quicker ratio rack I would think...no personal experience with a quick rack though...but all the time attack/ auto x guys that have done them love them! I think the Perrin part and steering rack essentially accomplish the same thing.

What the impreza l rack does is actually travels further from side to side. It's similar to modifying the bump stops on racks, which is a common drifting modification. It isn't any faster, it's slower because it has to travel further. But when you are drifting, your steering rack travels so fast, almost instantly, when you transition, so this doesn't matter. For that reason, for drifting, you almost want to have a slower ratio steering column & rack, since your wheel is spinning crazy fast when you transition between drift, because of the force pushing against the front tires, and the slower it is, the more time you have to catch your wheel or control it (make "corrections") as it swings from lock to lock.

Since the impreza l rack travels further, it gives your wheel a little bit more angle, since it pushes out a little further. Together with moving the tie rod hole in the knuckle closer to the wheel bearing, this gives a lot more steering angle than stock.

Hope this explains this all.

Eric, thanks for the motivation and all the help...anybody looking for parts, a really good e-tune, or just to chat automotive ish with good people that know and love the game...head over to http://www.brewedmotorsports.com

Build is getting pretty close...a lot of work has been done since I last updated this...no details yet until its drifting but here are a couple pics for a teaser





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Old 06-15-2012, 07:35 AM   #146
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:08 AM   #147
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I wanted to save pics of the build until it was drifting but the build is taking ****ing forever! I'm working on it as much as I can but yeah still a bit to do. Got the motor in finally today and front windshield and next its off to future fabrication for my boy Jon to do his magic on the turbo up-pipe & IC piping. Alright next update will be action photos! I promise!









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Old 07-23-2012, 03:22 AM   #148
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looks so sick! I want to convert my STI to RWD so bad. can't wait until the action pictures!
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:40 AM   #149
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looks so sick! I want to convert my STI to RWD so bad. can't wait until the action pictures!
Ooooohh you wana be unpopular in the Subaru community! haha no its not too hard for sure. My recommendation is if you have a sweet STI and wana use it for drifting, keep the process reversible, find the parts you need to convert it (spare center differential to weld, front axles to use to plug the tranny/hold wheel bearing in hub, and probably rear axles that you can take somewhere to get reinforced or buy the dss shop axle upgrade for your existing axles).

With those parts you can make your car rwd, drift all you want, and then go back to awd pretty easily. And this is cheaper than buying a rx7 or 240sx as a side drift car, and you'll have a way better car for drifting right of the bat. I'd say the procedure to convert the car from awd to rwd and vice-versa, is easier and less time consuming than changing the clutch in our cars.
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I could care less about being popular haha. I absolutely love my STI and I'm probably going to be keeping it for quite awhile. I don't think I could ever sell it actually. lol. But anyway, I would rather spend money on my car than use it to buy a RX7 or 240SX. Now that I've gotten a better paying job I've been seriously thinking about RWD. Drifting just looks like so much fun. I was watching Formula D yesterday in WA and thought how awesome it must be to be out there competing and having fun with all those great drivers. I think it definitely pushed me over the edge to just going for it. My main concerns are though that it's my DD and the motor has 131k miles on it.
sorry for the long rant just really like your build. and the fact that you're friends with Dustin Latimer who I really admired while growing up rollerblading lol. Really wanted a pair of his USD skates, never got them though =\
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