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Old 08-30-2010, 12:58 PM   #1
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Hey guys and gals,

Quick note to let you all know that we are listening to the concerns expressed by those in this thread and others about the Super Steer System. While this is a solid product with many, many trouble free miles under its R&D belt, we are going to make some changes. We want every client to feel 100% confident in the product they purchase and fully informed to its intended purpose, functions and benefits.

So while we make those needed changes, we are taking the following measures:

1) Removing the marketing for the product
2) Removing the product from our website
3) Contacting each client that purchased the system.
4) Offering a refund of the purchase price if client wishes to return the item (even if it has been installed.)
5) Offering a revised version of the product (when re-released at a later date) at no additional charge.
6) Finishing the versions of this product for the following applications:
2002-07 WRX / 2.5i
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2008-11 WRX

Thank you all for your interest in this and other PERRIN Performance Products!

Questions? Just e-mail, PM or call!
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Old 08-30-2010, 12:59 PM   #2
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:19 PM   #3
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I'm guessing this is not suitable for a DD.
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Old 08-31-2010, 03:03 AM   #4
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how does the traction control system react with this mod?? (08+ STi)

on the street (on the track i keep it off so it wont matter)


thanks

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Old 08-31-2010, 12:56 PM   #5
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What is the height of the rod end compared to the OE tie rod end? Curious if you're compensating for bump steer or not?
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:00 PM   #6
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Nevermind, found it on the website:

"Ball Joint Extender

A feature that is built into the PERRIN Super Steer is a tie rod ball joint extender. When you lower your car, it changes some of the suspension geometry for the worse. So things like ball joint extenders and roll center kits bring these things back to where Subaru designed them. The Super Steer has a tie rod ball joint extender built into it! This saves you a couple hundred dollars if you ever plan to install a roll center kit. We made our offset such that it suites cars lowered around 1.5 - 2".
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Old 08-31-2010, 03:21 PM   #7
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I assume these can be used for all Subarus no?
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Old 08-31-2010, 06:00 PM   #8
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So this kit comes with some new hardware, 2 2-piece shaft collars, extended tie rod ends, and some offset ball joint adapters for the tie rod ends for $400??? Not to mention you would more than likely need an alignment. Am I being skeptical or did I miss something?

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Old 09-01-2010, 05:30 AM   #9
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So this comes with tie rod leveling geometry built in (to reduce bump steer) but nothing has been done to address the ball joints on the control arms (meaning the roll center isn't being addressed)?
As for the rest of the design- I can't help but think that your advertising is misleading. The "see how your steering changes" diagram doesn't take into account the fact that the tie rod would be adjusted to be shorter when aligned, otherwise the car would have static toe in. You say "The Super Steer reduces the amount of steering input needed to steer through corners making your Subaru feel crisp and responsive.Its like adding a quicker steering rack without the high cost and complicated installation.", but this looks like it's simply an ackerman angle adjustment, which IMHO, really isn't comparable to changing the rack ratio. There's nothing wrong with an ackerman angle adjuster AFAIK on this car, and it's nice to see a new part developed, but it just seems misleading. Correct me if I'm entirely off base and I missed something here.
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It changes the steering ratio by changing the arm length on the uprights. You lose steering power in trade..
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:34 PM   #11
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The more I look at this, the more it looks like it preserves the same ackerman geometry. Perhaps I was a little hasty in criticizing it.

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Old 09-01-2010, 07:11 PM   #12
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Was actually pretty upset to discover that this was for the GR-chassis only. A friend of mine with a GD was one of the first to order (his arrived today), and was going to do some product reviewing, and depending on his feedback, I was going to order mine next week.

Now the box shows up at his place with "for '08 STI" marked on it, and the website shows "04-07 fitment being developed." Any idea when that might be? Or should I just go buy a Q-rack?
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Old 09-10-2010, 03:41 PM   #13
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Guys we had been responding to the other thread a customer created so sorry for missing all these questions!

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So this comes with tie rod leveling geometry built in (to reduce bump steer) but nothing has been done to address the ball joints on the control arms (meaning the roll center isn't being addressed)?
You are correct there is rod leveling kit(Tie Rod Ball Joint extender) built into the Super Steer. But there is no lower ball joint extender as part of the kit. This is a great additional part to purchase to help correct suspension geometry when lowering the car or installing the Super Steer Kit. We just don't offer these....yet.

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As for the rest of the design- I can't help but think that your advertising is misleading. The "see how your steering changes" diagram doesn't take into account the fact that the tie rod would be adjusted to be shorter when aligned, otherwise the car would have static toe in. You say "The Super Steer reduces the amount of steering input needed to steer through corners making your Subaru feel crisp and responsive.Its like adding a quicker steering rack without the high cost and complicated installation.", but this looks like it's simply an ackerman angle adjustment, which IMHO, really isn't comparable to changing the rack ratio. There's nothing wrong with an ackerman angle adjuster AFAIK on this car, and it's nice to see a new part developed, but it just seems misleading. Correct me if I'm entirely off base and I missed something here.
I see you kind of figured out part of your question below, but i will go over your points. We did spend alot of time trying to figure out what the best way to make a diagram showing how it works. I just added one (from the notes page) that will help clear some confusion.

So if you just added a part like this it would normally add toe in. But part of the reason why we added the shorter tie rod ends (that we preset) was so customers can at least go drive their car to the alignment shop without destroying their ties. So the alignment is at least pretty close after installation.

As you mentioned the Ackerman angle does change, but its not way out of whack and to some this change in Ackerman angle is going toward a desired direction.

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I'm guessing this is not suitable for a DD.
Sure it would be! The changes are large enough that you will find a new found love for your STI!

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how does the traction control system react with this mod?? (08+ STi)

on the street (on the track i keep it off so it wont matter)
thanks

Rasheed
This is a big discussion on the other thread started. I found no issues running it for a year (all conditions and a track day) on the stock ECU. The last year i have been using it with the Cosworth ECU and also not a single issue.

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I assume these can be used for all Subarus no?
Eventually yes! Right now 08+ STI only. The other STI's will follow in a few weeks. WRX's are still in development.

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So this kit comes with some new hardware, 2 2-piece shaft collars, extended tie rod ends, and some offset ball joint adapters for the tie rod ends for $400??? Not to mention you would more than likely need an alignment. Am I being skeptical or did I miss something?
Maybe a little
To compare, you can buy simple lower ball joint extender kits for $400, you can buy complete tie rod and lower ball joint extender kits for $470, some basic Roll center kits so for $200.
None of which will quicken the steering of your car. The closest thing is a complete Steering rack which will run you $2000 plus install.
All these do require an alignment, but i can say that after installing the Super Steer the alignment isn't so bad that you will ruin tires on the way to the dealer.

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It changes the steering ratio by changing the arm length on the uprights. You lose steering power in trade..
Some heavier steering feel is found for sure but most people will find this very appealing. I like the slightly less "truck" feel.

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..................................... "04-07 fitment being developed." Any idea when that might be? Or should I just go buy a Q-rack?
Very very soon! Its in the works already!
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Old 09-11-2010, 10:46 AM   #14
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Looking forward to the 04-07 SSS! Really considering buying if theres a lot of good feedback.
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