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Old 09-02-2010, 08:50 PM   #1
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Default Subaru FT-86 STI Coupe

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It took a minute but I like it and dig the new scoop.

I'm not holding my breath on a production model just yet!
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:07 PM   #2
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the scoop is the exact same as all the 08 + models
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:38 PM   #3
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Looks like a really crappy photoshop.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:31 PM   #4
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the scoop is the exact same as all the 08 + models
It looked more like a giant louvered induction, hybrid of evo and sti scoops in one. I gues I am mistaken.
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:08 AM   #5
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saw it this morning. Its still in the testing phase so this wont be that close to the final product. Im sure for the time being they are testing the engine, drivetrain, and suspension

the new NSX was being tested in a S2000 at the beginning
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:18 AM   #6
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My god i hope that abortion isn't the direction they are going. The previous renders have had me so optimistic.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:20 AM   #7
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yeah that car is in disguise, you can tell lol
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:39 AM   #8
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Size has **** tons of potential. Wipe that Mazda smiley front end off the damn thing and we can talk.
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:44 AM   #9
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The question is will subaru fold and make it RWD? Would subaru people buy a RWD coupe?
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:08 AM   #10
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The question is will subaru fold and make it RWD? Would subaru people buy a RWD coupe?
I would. Make it a modern 2.5rs 2 door with RWD and a familiar Subaru turbo. Or do the same, keep it light (~2800), and give me a +200hp 8k redline F-4 and I would still be interested. This is assuming cost for a base NA version to be no > $1.5k of a Civic Si and the turbo no more than a STi.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:08 AM   #11
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not the regular older subaru people, but i bet the rich kids who don't know the difference, the drifters, and car enthusiasts who prefer a rwd track car over a awd will buy it.
there's definitely a market for this. subarus average age stat is going to plummet and insurance is going to skyrocket.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:31 AM   #12
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I wouldnt let my loayalties influence my car purchase (one way or the other). That would be like me saying I would never own an EJ powered car cause my 88 GL has the EA. Or that Subaru really went off the deep end when they dropped the dual range 4wd systems. I would not mind a lighter weight RWD coupe with a flat 4. A nice car is a nice car and for a sporty lightweight coupe, AWD would not be a deal breaker (for me). I dont see how that would be divided into "drifters" "rich kids" and "regular older subaru" people just based on heavier AWD vs lighter RWD. I consider myself a regular Subaru person.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:39 AM   #13
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Make it a RWD Subaru and Re-Badge the damn thing whatever they want. I'd De-Badge the thing anyway.
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:24 PM   #14
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I didn't buy a subaru because it was a subaru. I purchased my car because it had what I wanted. 4 doors (kids) 300hp, AWD. There weren't too many to choose from mitsubishi, audi, subaru. I drove them all and chose what I felt was the best car for me.
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:41 PM   #15
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I didn't buy a subaru because it was a subaru. I purchased my car because it had what I wanted. 4 doors (kids) ...
You got ripped off, it came with 4 doors AND kids. What kind of trade in value do they have? Just joking, I agree with what you are saying.
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:36 PM   #16
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Is it too much to ask for both? rear and all-wheel?
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:31 PM   #17
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I dont know why manufactures cant put in push button AWD like they did with the justy years ago, but make it RWD instead
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:36 PM   #18
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Is it too much to ask for both? rear and all-wheel?
It's really not. The technology is there. The question is, will they make it an option for different trim levels, or have an electronically controlled center diff that can disengage the front wheels and send 100% of power to the rear.

I anticipate 3-4 trim levels.

1. Toyota powered I6 + RWD (+ FI?) **Base Model** Sold under Toyota name.
2. Toyota powered I6 + RWD + FI **Sport Model** Sold under Toyota name.
3. Subaru powered H4 + AWD (+ FI?) **Base Model** Sold under Subaru name.
4. Subaru powered H4 + AWD + FI **Sport Model** Sold under Subaru name.

At least, that's what I'm hoping for. My biggest question is, "Will there be 6spd only in the Sport model? Or that stupid flappy paddle BS from the EVO X MR.
Auto trans belongs in the Base Model only. Make a cheaper and more driver friendly 5spd for the Base Model, but keep that auto **** to minivans only please.
I would love to see a Subaru powered RWD car, I just don't think they'll produce it.

As for the body, I want a coupe. No convertible. Targa or T-tops could be cool though. I like the front end of the 08+ STi, but I can't see Toyota being okay with just using that same front end for the Toyota version. The companies will corrabilate and it'll change quite a bit. Expect something completely different. But it will be almost identical from the Toyota to Subaru version. To keep productions costs down, they can't produce 2 completely different bodies. Perhaps different headlights or different lip options. But the same doors, bumpers, and body panels. I really don't think it'll look anything like the STi though.

I'm excited to see if they incorporate some of the technology that Nissan is using in the GTR. The GTR is the new standard for sports cars. I hope that even though this car SHOULD be priced under $40k, the FT86 will have some awesome electronic features like the STi's variable rev limit (factory LC). Also, the SI drive needs to disappear. The DCCD is a must, and I love the though of AWD AND RWD in the same car. Automatically electronically controlled in *AUTO*, but able to be manipulated into any combo of FR + RR power distribution.










/ Hoping that someone from either company is reading this.
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:02 PM   #19
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Does Toyota have a current (and smog passable) I-6 anymore? That plus the footprint of a F-4 and I-6 are not too similar. But in a fantasy world the cars you describe would be teh sweetness.

I would still say AWD only if there is enough power to overcome the weight (which adds more weight by iteslf). But, if the goal is for a lightweight RWD coupe, I would be for that as well.
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Does Toyota have a current (and smog passable) I-6 anymore? That plus the footprint of a F-4 and I-6 are not too similar. But in a fantasy world the cars you describe would be teh sweetness.

I would still say AWD only if there is enough power to overcome the weight (which adds more weight by iteslf). But, if the goal is for a lightweight RWD coupe, I would be for that as well.
A newer version of VVT-i (Electronically controlled Intake and Exhaust camshafts) placed in a redone 2JZ-GTE could help pass it CARB requirement. Timing chain instead of belt. Direct Injection like the small batch of 1JZ-(FSE). Ball bearing turbo(s)?

If Nissan's VR38 is able to pass, Toyota can figure out a way to make a new 2JZ passable. Lol.

Oh, and how cool would Direct Injection be in a new STi coupe?!?!
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Old 09-03-2010, 04:20 PM   #21
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From what I remembered reading, the AWD version will be a Subaru and the RWD version will be a Toyota.

The car pictured is just a mule... the real one won't look anything like it.
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Old 09-03-2010, 04:29 PM   #22
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the reason for rwd would be to save weight. having a button/switch to go from rwd to awd would still make the car weigh the same. Maybe even more. if you want rwd just take your 2 axles out, cut them just behind the CV and reinstall just the ends. there, now you can drift and do burn outs. Don't forget to put a **** load or rtv to seal up the holes in your tranny where the axles use to go
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Old 09-03-2010, 05:24 PM   #23
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From the article.

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Our intrepid spy photographers have managed to capture the first images of Subaru's STI performance variant of the upcoming FT-86 Coupe
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A 2.5-liter turbocharged flat-4 engine will likely power this 2+2 coupe—somewhere in the region of 300-bhp and all-wheel-drive seems a safe bet for the range-topping STI edition
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:26 AM   #24
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They're stating the obvious. Subaru has been using a flat for close to 300 hp since 04 now, I cant imagine where R&T got this idea from

The other thing that makes me wonder, is that this is pretty much what this car looked like when they spotted it at the Ring a year ago. It hasnt changed much at all. Meanwhile the Toyota (Which looks 10,000 time better) came out looking good and the rumors have all been that it is being re-worked.

The idea behind a RWD Toyota performance car at or near 20k is a great one, I just hope they aren't banking it on the drifter following stuff because they're catching the end of that trend.

Honestly this car shouldnt be taking 5 years to get out.

And this is still the best looking version they made. Even the interior is amazing, but it will probably be all boringized before we get it.

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