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Old 09-03-2010, 08:23 PM   #1
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Default Car Wash Afterthoughts (A noob's review)

I took advantage of the overcast today and got to test out some products i ordered from detailers domain.

1. Optimum No Rinse Car Wash & Shine - I added it as directed, 1 oz to 2 gallons of water. Seemed like too small of an amount after i mixed it so I added a bit more. (figured more lubrication is better than less ) It was hard to tell if it was working or not, especially since the solution is very water-like. I am too used to seeing soap suds. What bothered me was that my microfiber sponge was getting really black and dirty. I have a separate rinse bucket but even rinsing between panels the sponge remained dirty. (My car was pretty dirty to begin with) Did i do something wrong? Anyways end result looked good, so i assume it worked.

2. Sonax Full Effect Wheel Cleaner
- First thing i noticed was that smell I've read about. It is much better smelling than any other wheel cleaner I've used. It worked pretty well I must say, but was not surprised given the good reviews it gets everywhere. At $20 a bottle, it is very expensive. I bought it because I had some really baked on dust on my wheels. (from the previous owner) Definitely worked better than the $5 a bottle stuff you pick up at your local walmart/autozone. If I had new wheels that were well maintained I think this would be a waste of money, because the $5 bottle stuff would work just fine. This stuff is great though.

3. Adams In & Out Spray - Now I researched online a lot of these trim dressing products. i.e. black wow, back to black, etc... Generally they were either a bitch to work with, or they didn't work well. Adam's In and Out Spray worked pretty well, not as well as their video leads you to believe. But it was really easy to use which was mainly why I bought it. Now since i put it on today, I won't know how it will look in 2 weeks or even 2 months. I will I guess report back.


Here are a couple cell phone snaps. It was getting dark plus the overcast. I never end up doing before/after shots... will try to remember for the future.



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Old 09-03-2010, 09:44 PM   #2
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Don't worry about ONR changing the color of your wash media, It doesnt happen as prominently with a sheepskin but any sponge or microfiber product will change color. It is completely normal because it is designed to basically encapsulate any dirt, road film etc.. and pull it away into the the wash media. It happens with everyone, just make sure you are able to tell the difference between the regular color change and any girt, so periodically inspect.

I also treat ONR washes like the regular 2 bucket wash, and we use ONR a TON.

An awesome alternative to the Adam's In and Out is Stoner's Trim shine, which IME goes on much more evenly and is significantly less expensive to boot.

We carry a product called IronCut from AQuartz same technology as Sonax but is designed for paint decontamination from iron particles. We use it alot on wheels, glass and paint to get everything a claybar would just shear the tops off of. It turns from clear to purple (awesome to watch on a white/silver car paint)

The reality of brake dust and wheel cleaners is given enough time and exposure/neglect, brake dust is no longer a separate combination of iron and carbon, it becomes something MUCH different and when combined with being stuck to a wheel can change the surface so much that it needs to basically be sheared off which is why even some of the strongest wheel cleaners can't touch that rock hard black junk that happens when someone doesn't clean their wheels for such a long time. And in these cases nothing but something abrasive can get that stuff off.

While super cool to watch both of these, its MUCH more economical to just use a car shampoo and a few spritz of a diluted non-acid cleaner to get anything partially stubborn.

Great reviews, and thank you for sharing. I think alot of people myself included share some of the exact same opinions.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:38 AM   #3
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Lately I have been partial to Adams products. Try their car wash. I have been intriguedgby the ONR but haven't purchased it yet.

As far as wheel cleaners, its hard to beat sonax. It extremely good. I bought a bottle of the p21s gel formula and tried it. My first impression was, its ok. But I found out that it works better on polished aluminum wheels and "plastic chrome" wheels (found on chrysler wheels) otherwise sonax hands down.

I haven't tried the in and out spray yet. It looked convincing from the video but I like the adams vrt just fine.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:54 AM   #4
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Good review. ONR is a great product, and I love the ease of use. However, your car may have been too dirty for a simple ONR wash, and some of that grit may have induced marring on your paint if you care a lot about swirls on your paint. If you don't care, then ignore that last part
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Old 09-04-2010, 07:49 AM   #5
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We carry a product called IronCut from AQuartz same technology as Sonax but is designed for paint decontamination from iron particles. We use it alot on wheels, glass and paint to get everything a claybar would just shear the tops off of. It turns from clear to purple (awesome to watch on a white/silver car paint)
Where do I get this IronCut stuff? I have stupid rail dust on my car, well I did, and I spent hours and hours using different detailing products to get 90% of it off. If this stuff works as well as you say it does it would really help me get the darn stuff off the car. And I have 2 white cars. LOL
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:40 PM   #6
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Old 09-04-2010, 03:46 PM   #7
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I wonder how Adam's VRT compares to their In & Out Spray...

I do care about creating (more) swirls on my paint. But what classifies as too dirty for an ONR wash? Seems really subjective.

And I am curious about this Aquartz Iron Cut myself. How much does it cost? And it's safe for all surfaces? On their website they talk about using it on your paint before you polish. Something a claybar can't do. So i could just (safely) spray the sonax all over my paint in theory?

Also there seems to be some kind of controversy over two companies Aquartz selling similar products. Aquartz.net has a product Iron X but claims the other (Korean) company is the sham. I can't find the website of the Korean company

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Old 09-04-2010, 04:27 PM   #8
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We are the exclusive distributor of the product line for the US, we have been since the beginning. Basically the original factory has taken the formulas for the products designed by the company head and stolen them, copyrighted the names for themselves. The "Korean company" was originally the manufacturer(not creator/formulator) of IronCut and they are trying to capitalize on what they can produce.

IronX is the ironcut BUT with now a new name.

You can't spray Sonax on your paint as it contains different chemicals(similar in science) as well many more additional chemicals designed to clean the robust surfaces on wheels that can stain your paint. You can use IronX(IronCut) on your wheels, its safe for all surfaces. IronX basically saves you a step. We were forwarded some info from a couple our customers and IronCut is a little stronger on wheels than sonax, plus its more liquidy so it sprays and covers much easier, allowing you to use less.

The behind IronX(IronCut) is it dissolves any metallic fallout in the paint(even stuff you can't see) where clay only basically cuts off the tops of the metallic stuff, leaving the embedded portion to rust again. It does not replace claying as it only attacks the metallic stuff stuck in/on your paint, it compliments claying completing decontamination. Basically spray on your section, allow to dwell wet, then agitate with something like a microfiber applicator and then rinse all that nasty stuff away, done.

As far as ONR, if you needed to, you can use a hose/pressure washer to pre rinse all the heavy stuff off the car before touching it, at least it saves a little more water. Basically use your best judgement especially when dealing with soft subaru paint. I use ONR in our details A LOT and I have yet to experience marring with it. I think practicing and progessing on a cleaner, then a hair dirtier, then a bit more dirty panel at a time will give you a good idea of when to change out for a regular wash or to do a pre-rinse. With ONR its sometimes not just one quick swipe of a section with your wash mitt and its clean, sometimes you have to go over a section, then rinse the media, then go over once more just to be sure, same as a regular wash only without the suds and without the hose to rinse.
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I do care about creating (more) swirls on my paint. But what classifies as too dirty for an ONR wash? Seems really subjective.
True, it is kind of subjective, but if the microfiber sponge was as dirty as you described, then I think you would be better off with a full wash with shampoo. Of course time plays a big part in that, but I'd be too afraid of dragging grit around on my paint with an ONR wash if my car was too dirty.
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