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Old 09-07-2010, 08:38 PM   #1
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I myself have always been a mothers guy. However, after switching and trying out their M105 and M205 on my wifes dark blue outback with my buffer I have to say that's some good ****! It's just funny cause I often hear people say things like damn do you own stock in mothers or what because my garage is full of it. Lmao.
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:13 PM   #2
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i really don't think it matters.. i'm not a brand whore when it comes to cleaning supplies.. i have a mixture of megs, mothers, chemical guys and a couple others brands of stuff to fully clean my car with
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:19 PM   #3
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....like above, I prefer to assess products on individual characteristics/performance rather than a "brand" myself. Both Mothers and Meguiars make products I like although I guess I would have to give the nod to Meguiars for having more that I still use. My cabinets are full of products from various manufacturers (i.e. Optimum, Meguiars, 1Z, 303, FK, P21s, Klasse, Zaino, Collinite, Wolfgang, Mothers, Eagle One, 3M, Chem Guys, etc., etc.).
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:21 AM   #4
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both companies make reliable products. +1 to what Kean said... I research the product more than the brand. But both are good in my eyes. I always end up buying Mother's clay kit set.
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Old 09-08-2010, 02:27 AM   #5
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Meguiars FTMFW.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:42 AM   #6
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:42 AM   #7
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ZAINO stop wasting your time and money...
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:43 AM   #8
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:53 AM   #9
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....like above, I prefer to assess products on individual characteristics/performance rather than a "brand" myself. Both Mothers and Meguiars make products I like although I guess I would have to give the nod to Meguiars for having more that I still use. My cabinets are full of products from various manufacturers (i.e. Optimum, Meguiars, 1Z, 303, FK, P21s, Klasse, Zaino, Collinite, Wolfgang, Mothers, Eagle One, 3M, Chem Guys, etc., etc.).
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I've tried a bunch of products by a bunch of people, some are fantastic, some aren't. Zaino is good, not great. I stopped buying it once they came out with that $25 "additive" That you had to buy and add to their sealant? seriously? Though back in the day I really like their tire dressing stuff.
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Old 09-08-2010, 11:11 AM   #10
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mother/meguires..same ISH!.. step yo game up and order from Griots!
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Old 09-08-2010, 11:32 AM   #11
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both companies make reliable products. +1 to what Kean said... I research the product more than the brand. But both are good in my eyes. I always end up buying Mother's clay kit set.
I think that's the key right there. ....research. There are several great detailing sites folks can browse to get a feel for what products and tools are available as well as techniques. After reading for a bit you also get a better sense of who you can trust and which members you should probably ignore (or at least take what they say with a grain of salt). When seeking advice on a new item, most of the reviews I pay special attention to are from seasoned professionals/enthusiasts/vendors who are typically objective about their assessments.

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I've tried a bunch of products by a bunch of people, some are fantastic, some aren't. Zaino is good, not great. I stopped buying it once they came out with that $25 "additive" That you had to buy and add to their sealant? seriously? Though back in the day I really like their tire dressing stuff.
….I have used several Zaino products and still use a few which include Z-AIO, Z-2 and Z-5. I remember when they introduced the additive (Zfx). IIRC it was an “accelerant” intended to help speed up the curing process so you could “layer” the product immediately after removal (up to 3 coats….and then 12hrs before adding more if you wanted to).

After years of using Zaino (off and on), I still like the products I listed above in some scenarios. I have always had great durability and lasting slickness from their Z-5 and Z-2 although I was never too crazy about the plastic-like look that seemed to be enhanced on some vehicles. Having said that, even with the relative limited number of products I have personally tried and the countless reviews I have read about many others, I can honestly say Zaino is certainly not the “overall best”. There are simply too many products and factors to consider. The main thing is that folks find products, tools and techniques that work for them in their application/scenario.

Over the past 25+ of buying, using, researching and discussing various detailing products, it is apparent (to me at least) that while folks may have their personal favorites, there is no “one product” or brand that will satisfy everyone’s needs. There are certainly stand-outs and noteworthy items that will appeal to many but to say a singular product or brand is “best” is simply short-sighted IMO/IME. ….fanboi one-liners never persuaded me to purchase anything.
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Old 09-08-2010, 11:40 AM   #12
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....I should add that for those folks how might be interested in trying Zaino products but can't justify the costs, look into the Duragloss line. There have been direct comparisons by many folks who have tried both. The Autopia forums are currently unsafe to browse right now (viral/trojan issues) but I recall a thread by a member who compiled a list of each product from each line showing specifically which items were similar to one another. .....certainly worth a look.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:41 PM   #13
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Good points Kean!

I also want to say that there are people who will stick with 1 brand and talk it up till they are blue in the face. I get people who ask me all the time what is the best car wash and/or wax and I tell them what I like and that similar to motor oil, people will find a brand they love and use it, be it royal purple, mobil1, amsoil, dino oil, etc. In the end, if it does the job that it advertised, go for it. Try them out and if you don't like it, then move on to the next one until you find one that you do like.
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:00 PM   #14
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I'm loyal to Meguiar's, but I might want to upgrade to Griots someday when my #26 and Gold Class get used.

It's $<10 wax, so you get what you pay for.
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:24 PM   #15
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What ever works best for you is what you should be using.

To figure this out you have to use it, and it will depend on you and your car. Lots of things effecting how and why some products seem better than others to different individuals. how you use/apply it - your environment/weather - how clean you keep your car - your paint /its condition ect.... Your best bet is to get together with some buddy's and try each others stuff out.

For example I have a friend who swears by mothers wax for his 88 mustang.. His paint is old dry and has little to no clear coat left. Granted it looks great after its been waxes and it comes off easy for him. But, if I use the same wax on my car it drys soo hard its a killer job to get it off.....I use Poorboys wax for shows and ICE wax for a quick coat. Both come off easy for me and do a great job....they dont do as a great job on his car as mothers does for him I just started using Meguiars cleaner wax cuz it was soo freaking cheep at Walmart ( $6 ) and it seems to work great too.

Keep in mind as well, many new waxes are synthetic and are not made to dry like old school carnauba base waxes. They are wipe on wipe off with out a waiting period for a dry look/haze to them.
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Old 09-08-2010, 04:58 PM   #16
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They are wipe on wipe off with out a waiting period for a dry look/haze to them.

I don't like that. You can really see what you missed if it dries nice and hazy. Yeah, it is a little more work to get off of the vehicle but... imo ... worth it.
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Old 09-08-2010, 05:51 PM   #17
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M105 and M205 is professional compound/polish, it will be out of any mother's products' league. IMO meg's makes AWESOME otc stuff too. I use their gel tire dressing, interior detailer and gold class wash. Their all wheel cleaner is great too if you can find it (target maybe?). I love going to walmart when ever I run out of my meg's stuff and pick up another bottle for next to nothing.
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:14 PM   #18
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I have mostly Meguirs stuff...I really like thier NXT car wax and the Supreme Shine interior spray...Headlight Resto is only okay becuase you have to re-apply it every couple of weeks, but I don't mind putting the time with my car.

Mothers All wheel and tire foaming cleanser isn't all that good and it doesn't last very long IMO. Mothers Back to Black is alright, I've noticed that it fades really quickly (maybe due to Texas Heat?). All in all I like Mothers stuff but prefer Meguirs.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:31 PM   #19
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Although I use and like several different brands and products for specific purposes, the M105 / 205 machine polishes are incredible compared to anything else I've every tried...and my cabinet is filled with failed experiments

I also like Megs Wheel Brightener. It will clean coated wheels better than anything... Even the inner wheel / hub / caliper surfaces come clean with little to no effort. I find that I don't have to use it all the time as the wheels seem to stay cleaner. There is some caution to using this product. You must CAREFULLY follow the dilution and use instructions. It's caustic and not for all wheel types.

Although I've been using Megs Hyper Wash which IMHO is a best buy I've been wanting to try the CG Citrus Wash and Gloss. Anyone use or compare the Chemical Guys product against Megs Hyper Wash?

Last, and not meaning for this to be a commercial but the Ultimate Protectant is very good, better than Back to Black. It provides a deeper black matte finish and lasts way longer. The windshield cowl on my WRX always returned to gray after a week or two of B2B but has been restored by one application of UP that's lasted well over two months at this point. I will tell you that I originally picked up a bottle after reading comments on Autopia. Well, I didn't get the same results so I emailed Meguiars. They responded quickly, sent me a replacement and offerd to refund my money if the replacement didn't work. Well, it was like a differnt product. Maybe they juiced it up since I complained but I got better than expected results.

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Old 09-08-2010, 10:23 PM   #20
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I personally use Meguairs on my car and my parents, Mothers is good too, but I prefer Meguairs over any other.

The honest question is, can you tell a difference? Really, no but its just personal preference.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:56 PM   #21
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I might have some bad info, but i was told by our sales rep that Meguiar's was bought out by 3M....3M plans to keep the product line going the same for Meguiar's....I am hoping they don't make any changes. I prefer them to anything else I have used

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I might have some bad info, but i was told by our sales rep that Meguiar's was bought out by 3M....3M plans to keep the product line going the same for Meguiar's....I am hoping they don't make any changes. I prefer them to anything else I have used

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....he's right but its relatively old news that was announced back in 2008 (almost 2 years exactly). The Meguiars line/image continues to improve and has only seemed to benefit from the acquisition. Just take a stroll over to MOL (Meguiars On-Line) and you can see things are going pretty well.
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3M wouldn't dare drastically change Meguiar's. It's too popular.

Too big to fail you know?
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I personally use Meguairs on my car and my parents, Mothers is good too, but I prefer Meguairs over any other.

The honest question is, can you tell a difference? Really, no but its just personal preference.
There is a huge difference between many products.

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Although I use and like several different brands and products for specific purposes, the M105 / 205 machine polishes are incredible compared to anything else I've every tried...and my cabinet is filled with failed experiments

I also like Megs Wheel Brightener. It will clean coated wheels better than anything... Even the inner wheel / hub / caliper surfaces come clean with little to no effort. I find that I don't have to use it all the time as the wheels seem to stay cleaner. There is some caution to using this product. You must CAREFULLY follow the dilution and use instructions. It's caustic and not for all wheel types.

Although I've been using Megs Hyper Wash which IMHO is a best buy I've been wanting to try the CG Citrus Wash and Gloss. Anyone use or compare the Chemical Guys product against Megs Hyper Wash?

Last, and not meaning for this to be a commercial but the Ultimate Protectant is very good, better than Back to Black. It provides a deeper black matte finish and lasts way longer. The windshield cowl on my WRX always returned to gray after a week or two of B2B but has been restored by one application of UP that's lasted well over two months at this point. I will tell you that I originally picked up a bottle after reading comments on Autopia. Well, I didn't get the same results so I emailed Meguiars. They responded quickly, sent me a replacement and offerd to refund my money if the replacement didn't work. Well, it was like a differnt product. Maybe they juiced it up since I complained but I got better then expected results.
Ultimate Protectant is new, right? It's in a shampoo looking bottle? I think I saw it at walmart. I will definitely have to try this out. I've tried autoglym and back to black and they both suck. They don't sell 303 locally here, so I haven't tried that yet.
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Meguiars is the boooooooooooooooomb!
their tire gel is one of the best products I've ever used! and I used to detail cars
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