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Old 09-16-2010, 01:31 PM   #1
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Question Advice: Engine job vs. Swap

What up guys, I have been lurking from time to time but no time to post regularly.

Anyways I have the dreaded internal coolant leak it seems.

I am just wondering if it is of any use to consider a swap over a repair. I dont want to go turbo, so it would just be a NA swap. Is that stupid/crazy/smart? Ball park on labour cost is about the same Im guessing so it would be the additional cost of the newer engine? My engine may need more work also since I have not driven it much the past 6 months, so a full rebuild might be in order.

If I swap a used engine is fine since I can probably pick one up from a someone else swapping I am thinking. A have a lot of miles on my engine anyway, over 200k KM.

Im planning on keeping the ride for a few more years at least.
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Old 09-16-2010, 02:16 PM   #2
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If you were to stick with a N/A engine, you could check with RR as they likely have a few left over from swaps they had done. You can find used WRX engines around as well, but either process is not overly cheap (if done by a shop). Personally, from driving a N/A and a turbo'd GC, you're better off spending a little bit extra to get an engine that gives you a few more options (future mods, etc). It can be costly though. I sold my last GC for my current one because the swap had already been done, and it was more economical than trying to undertake the swap myself.

Obviously if you're mechnically inclined, the swap can be done for cheaper.
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Old 09-16-2010, 02:52 PM   #3
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Your body style is unique to have a turbo swap in it. I would spend the $$ and swap in a turbo motor and have a super fun little beast

If you looking for practical, then put in a stock replacement motor to get you back on the road

you have to deceide what you wanna spend and that will tell you where you wanna go
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:17 PM   #4
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swapping in another used motor will be much cheaper than a full rebuild...

but then again you will be in the same place as you are now a lot sooner with a swapped used motor than with a rebuild...

trade offs
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:40 AM   #5
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if you plan on keeping it for a few years at least then I would rebuild.
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Old 09-17-2010, 02:04 PM   #6
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if you plan on keeping it for a few years at least then I would rebuild.
+1. Putting another used motor in there that is high mileage already or you don't know the history probably won't last as long imo.

Just make sure you find someone that is capable of doing a good rebuild. Poor machine work on a Subaru = fail.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:47 PM   #7
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So I finnally got it over to a recommended shop.

Cylinder #3 has the blown gasket. Quote is:

$1200 repair that side of the engine
$1000 more to do the other side also.
$580 to also do the belts, water pump, thermostat.

Then plus taxes. It doesnt hurt me so badly since I can write off against my business use, and I can drive this for another 4-5 years afterwards without engine issues hopefully? The rest of the car is in good shape, and clutch was done recently as well.

Any thoughts? Thanks
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:51 PM   #8
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$580 not bad for the belts, water pump, thermostat, etc. Parts included I assume?

Seems weird its $1200 to repair 1 side of the engine then another $1000 to do the other side. The engine is out already. It's not much more work to repair the other side.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:34 PM   #9
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Seems weird its $1200 to repair 1 side of the engine then another $1000 to do the other side. The engine is out already. It's not much more work to repair the other side.
not necessarily....they might replace the gasket with the engine in the car...it's not hard to do at all with the SOHC 2.5L. god i ****ing love that engine
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:28 PM   #10
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not necessarily....they might replace the gasket with the engine in the car...it's not hard to do at all with the SOHC 2.5L. god i ****ing love that engine
having said that it's simple to remove the engine, and i know a couple techs that are happier working on an engine stand.
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:04 PM   #11
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1200+1000 is about the price for a used WRX motor. add a bit more and you'd get a tune / ETC.
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:38 PM   #12
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yeah the mech. did NOT remove the engine from the bay. He is working with it in there and just removed the heads for now.

Parts are in I would think (I did not confirm but I had asked for 'all in' prices). I still have to give him instructions.

I think I will get it done. I love the car, even though I would love to get a newer STi at some point.

Used engine I considered, but again who knows whats up with it. This will be should be solid for another 100km. Going with a turbo engine adds another layer of work I really dont need for a daily driver.
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:47 AM   #13
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having said that it's simple to remove the engine, and i know a couple techs that are happier working on an engine stand.
of course an engine is easier to work on on a stand....

but quicker? **** no....not even close...way faster to do it in the engine bay with a 251

205, 255, 257, etc are a different story, hell even 25d...
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of course an engine is easier to work on on a stand....

but quicker? **** no....not even close...way faster to do it in the engine bay with a 251

205, 255, 257, etc are a different story, hell even 25d...
never said it was quicker....
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