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Old 10-04-2010, 06:01 PM   #76
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Old 10-04-2010, 08:23 PM   #77
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Devils advocate here.
Speedy2racer and a2r Inc sell the headers for around 130 on eBay, pickup a new cat for 100 and any shop can weld that for you for cheap. voila. Less than 300 dollars and you have some kind of uel effect.
+2 Speedy2racer and a2r Inc sell the headers for around 130 on eBay. And if you buy a used Rs catpipe it would be around $50. Then the shop can make it fit for cheap. To extend the 02 censors, just DIY for around $10 or free if you have extra pieces laying around
But, That's not the point! It has to be competitive with other options that is available on the market.

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I have spoken to Mike via 5 emails and/or PMs about cheaper components. I think that S409 would lower the price over S304. If 409 is used then MIG welding it would yield a strong bond with little distortion. I think that it should be a thought but in the end a product that lasts for years is the top priority of rallisport racing. I think that many people will wrap or coat the headers (myself included) so S409 fits.

The one thing that SHOULD not be compromised is the Catalytic Converter. You can get inferior grade metals that will last the test of time but on a 06+ you want a catalyst substrate that will def last the test of time. MagnaFlow cats are not that costly and they work very well I am glad these will be used in the header.
That's great! Good point with using the Magniflow catalytic converter, they seem not too overly expensive. If the cat falls apart, we would just have to spend even more money to buy a new header.

I feel that you guys are leading in a good direction, It would be a lot easier to get just a header instead of changing 50% or more of the exhaust. Remember the for P's. Product, Price, Production, People. I don't want to see this die.

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Old 10-04-2010, 08:30 PM   #78
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Prices aside, the main importance of this header is that it retains the stock cat location, which is happy days for autocrossers.
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Old 10-04-2010, 09:15 PM   #79
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I feel that you guys are leading in a good direction, It would be a lot easier to get just a header instead of changing 50% or more of the exhaust.
Change 50% of the exhaust Not hardly maybe for you pre 06 guys for the 06+ guys this is simple drop the stock manifold, bolt on the after market header. You can run your stock exhaust as-is and your stock sensors. To make a header only would mean the consumer would have to pay to tap the mid pipe for two sensor bungs. I mean if 90 percent of people tell Mike "we dont want a cat and we have no problem tapping the mid pipe for sensors" then he should stop right where he is, and we might as well continue to buy Borla Reps
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Old 10-04-2010, 09:24 PM   #80
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Change 50% of the exhaust Not hardly maybe for you pre 06 guys for the 06+ guys this is simple drop the stock manifold, bolt on the after market header. You can run your stock exhaust as-is and your stock sensors. To make a header only would mean the consumer would have to pay to tap the mid pipe for two sensor bungs. I mean if 90 percent of people tell Mike "we dont want a cat and we have no problem tapping the mid pipe for sensors" then he should stop right where he is, and we might as well continue to buy Borla Reps
Seriously, I thought this was aimed for the 2.5i guys...
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Old 10-04-2010, 09:53 PM   #81
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^^^ GEE-OTTO, I believe DaWhiteScoob was complimenting this bolt on UEL setup, saying that the alternatives would require you to change out 50% or more of your exhaust.

I don't think he was saying that THIS bolt on solution required any modification.
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Old 10-04-2010, 10:41 PM   #82
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$550 would be absurd. Get those to a business person with overseas manufacturing experience and they won't cost that much unless the seller is gouging you.
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Old 10-04-2010, 11:04 PM   #83
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Over $600 shipped for a UEL header that will produce little gains? I'm good. No thanks. I drive a 12 Y/O N/A for a reason...I'm cheap and broke.
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:12 AM   #84
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^^^ GEE-OTTO, I believe DaWhiteScoob was complimenting this bolt on UEL setup, saying that the alternatives would require you to change out 50% or more of your exhaust.

I don't think he was saying that THIS bolt on solution required any modification.
^^^ This!

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It would be a lot easier to get just a header instead of changing 50% or more of the exhaust.

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Over $600 shipped for a UEL header that will produce little gains? I'm good. No thanks. I drive a 12 Y/O N/A for a reason...I'm cheap and broke.
But isn't your car a 98? I thought you only need the Borla Rep Manifold to connect to the rest of your car.
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:28 AM   #85
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^^^ GEE-OTTO, I believe DaWhiteScoob was complimenting this bolt on UEL setup, saying that the alternatives would require you to change out 50% or more of your exhaust.

I don't think he was saying that THIS bolt on solution required any modification.
OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH My bad DawhiteScoob
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:38 AM   #86
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^^^ This!





But isn't your car a 98? I thought you only need the Borla Rep Manifold to connect to the rest of your car.
THIS^^^^^
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Old 10-05-2010, 03:26 PM   #87
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No way will I pay 550 for a fancy header. I don't care if it bolts on with no mods.
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:13 PM   #88
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Over $600 shipped for a UEL header that will produce little gains? I'm good. No thanks. I drive a 12 Y/O N/A for a reason...I'm cheap and broke.

This prototype isn't for your car

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Old 10-05-2010, 11:33 PM   #89
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This prototype isn't for your car

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Correction 06+
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Old 10-06-2010, 01:21 PM   #90
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^^^ my mistake
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Old 10-06-2010, 04:39 PM   #91
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So people still are clamoring to buy expensive headers that are less efficient than stock?

Herp derp dee-doo.
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Old 10-06-2010, 05:08 PM   #92
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you guys are seriously a trip. $550 for a nice header is chump change. if you guys didn't own an import you'd already have hung yourself because of high prices. i've bought more than one set of $700+ headers.

advise: dont ever buy an LSx car.
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Old 10-07-2010, 09:29 AM   #93
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you guys are seriously a trip. $550 for a nice header is chump change. if you guys didn't own an import you'd already have hung yourself because of high prices. i've bought more than one set of $700+ headers.
Not so much the cost but cost for performance. $550 for a sound? If I'm paying top dollar for a header I would rather get a set of TWEs and at least get some significant gains over stock.
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:49 AM   #94
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Look the final word hasn't been given you never know what Rallisport Racing may do to lower price. So don't get on the bash wagon so soon. And Bio248 is right the turbo header for my Grand Am GT was $880 fabbed and it was a log style header

The point is that no matter which header you buy you aren't getting much in gains from that sole addition. Plus you havent seen dyno numbers yet so this whole notion is ridiculous without numbers in favor or against "gains"
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:29 PM   #95
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Again, this was never intended to be a performance mod. You want an EL header that will give you a performance increase and make your 2.5i sound like a Honda? Sure, no problem, I'm more than happy to develop one. But I've received VERY few requests for such a header. I HAVE however been receiving a couple of emails each week for the past year, begging me to develop a direct bolt on UEL header...

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Old 10-08-2010, 12:16 AM   #96
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Stop being a dork and claiming an EL header makes you sound like a honda. It doesn't. I've had two different EL headers and people couldn't tell it wasn't a stock header from the sound.
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afaik, the 06+ came with EL headers if i am not mistaken.
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Old 10-08-2010, 01:02 AM   #98
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afaik, the 06+ came with EL headers if i am not mistaken.
This gets brought up again and again. All the stock headers have been close to EL but not there. There's still a couple of inch path length difference in both the 97-05 header and the 06+ header. It's absolutely silly to call the 05- header UEL while calling the 06+ header EL. The real difference is that the 05- header is a 4-2-1 design while the 06+ is a 4>1 design.
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^^^ Good to know. I have been wondering about this as well.
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:44 PM   #100
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You can say all the **** you want about EL headers until you show me a video of a EJ25 with EL that DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A HONDA you are full of **** WRX or 2.5i
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