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Old 11-06-2010, 08:36 AM   #1
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ms109 vs 93oct


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Stock block tune (blue one had a bad knock sensor, replaced and red was final tune)


Event: 436/426 93oct ; 499/468 ms109 mustang dyno
Location: Cobb Plano
Ambient Temp: July in TX??
Elevation: ~430' asl
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Tires: 235/45/17 Riken Raptor

Car: 2006 STI
Tuner: Calvin
Dyno Info: Mustang
Gear: 4th
Peak HP at RPM: 436 ; 499 @ 6600
Peak Torque at RPM: 436 ; 468 @ 4300
Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: 230? stock sti
Target Boost: 15/21/24/28

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-T1 racing development top feed conversion
-ID1000's
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Engine/Power Modifications:
-Mahle 100mm pistons
-Pauter rods
-Kelford 199-B (264/264) cams
-Full Race twin scroll HTA gt3076 1.06a/r
-FR headers/uppipe
-2 Tial 38 ewg's (dumped)
-FR catted dp
-Magnaflow cbe
-Perrin FMIC
-Grimmspeed ebcs
-NGK 1step colder spark plugs
-KSTech 83mm cai
-KSTech tgv deletes (non pnp'd)

Driveline Modifications:
-ACT hd clutch
-ACT streetlight flywheel
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Old 11-06-2010, 08:39 AM   #2
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I couldn't change the title from my other thread when I was still on the stock block. The car is still sitting at Cobb Plano waiting to be paid off. Only one more payment of 1800 $12k was dropped to build this motor. I'm happy with the results.
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Old 11-06-2010, 01:16 PM   #3
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never mind im retarded.. nice numbers.. im not even close to affording it but im still trying to decide if i would get a 3076 or a 3582... now im leaning towards the 3076 cuz im really liking these pump gas numbers...

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Old 11-06-2010, 01:46 PM   #4
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WOW man, how many post you got going with your dyno sheets?
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Old 11-06-2010, 01:57 PM   #5
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Very nice #'s, I hope to get my hands on a Full race kit in the future.

What type of injector duty cycles you seeing on the high boost maps?? How about fuel pressure?
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:52 PM   #6
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Very nice #'s, I hope to get my hands on a Full race kit in the future.

What type of injector duty cycles you seeing on the high boost maps?? How about fuel pressure?
I would assume 67-68 and 71-72psi. I don't have an aftermarket fpr so fuel pressure is still at base 43.5psi. For every lb of boost, you add it onto the 43.5. As for idc's...Kevin @ Cobb didn't tell me. I haven't even heard the car since it's still at the shop. I got a parts list from Kevin and the dyno sheet from their dyno database.
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:53 PM   #7
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WOW man, how many post you got going with your dyno sheets?
lol The other thread was from when it was still the stock block. I tried to just change the name of the thread but it didn't change it in the forum title.
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:02 PM   #8
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Nice.. You'd think those cams and the huge backhousing it would hold the power out further? I seen your car down there!! Is it white with a CF hood?
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:03 PM   #9
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I couldn't change the title from my other thread when I was still on the stock block. The car is still sitting at Cobb Plano waiting to be paid off. Only one more payment of 1800 $12k was dropped to build this motor. I'm happy with the results.
12k? that includes the price of the full race turbo kit, right?
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:08 PM   #10
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12k motor/ high priced other mods/not bad...

Are you happy w it dropping off like that tho?

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Old 11-06-2010, 10:17 PM   #11
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^^he clearly said 12k for the motor, im guessing that's lots of labor to assemble & install
Yeah, and Im asking that question because hoping that 12k for the motor includes the turbo kit attached to it, because 12k for JUST the motorwork is highway ****ing robbery.
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:20 AM   #12
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Not to jack his thread.. My labor there at cobb was $7000. That for FMIC, piston, cams, turbo, ext..... I spent $13,000 in parts. I was on the payment plan to.
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:56 AM   #13
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Nice.. You'd think those cams and the huge backhousing it would hold the power out further? I seen your car down there!! Is it white with a CF hood?
ya that's it. I wish I could get some pictures of the engine bay. I understand about the video's so I'm patiently waiting on that
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12k? that includes the price of the full race turbo kit, right?
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12k motor/ high priced other mods/not bad...

Are you happy w it dropping off like that tho?
Here is everything in the build:
I haven't officially got the invoice yet. I can try to tell you all the parts for the $11,272.72 "build":

pulling/reinstalling motor
disassembly/reassembly
bored over 100mm
rehoned cylinders
mahle 100mm pistons
pauter rods
new oem rod/main bearings
polished crankshaft
refreshened head passageways
new oem valves
bc springs/retainers
kelford 199-b 264/264 cams
crawford aos
t1 racing developement topfeed conversion kit (no lines)
fuel rail fittings
fuel lines
id1000's injectors
bosch 040 in-tank fuel pump (not 044 in-line)
arp head studs
titanium wrap for headers
cobb lightweight crank pulley
cobb access port
new timing belt
new tensioner
10gal of race fuel
4 tunes

I think that's everything for the "build". The Full Race kit was $5200 including:
-headers ($50 for egt bung)
-uppipe
-2 tial 38mm ewgs
-2 dump tubes
-dp (i think $150 for cat, $50 for wideband bung)
-gt3076r 1.06 ($600 for HTA mod)
-all supplied hoses, fittings, clamps, heat wrap etc







As for the power dropping off, most builds I see tq drops below 300 with hp following. It keeps going if you ask me. It doesn't rap out to 8k so I think everything compliments each other.

Here is Cobb's Time Attack car with a 20g-xt on E85 @22psi.

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Old 11-07-2010, 05:57 AM   #14
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whoops.

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Old 11-07-2010, 11:04 AM   #15
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Why didn't they get you upgraded valves? They are cheap. And why do you have pump gas tunes?

Nice build overall, just knowing how Cobb plano's dyno reads, you may not have gained that much power at all, even with the full build and cams. Didn't you put down like 380 on awdtuning's dyno?
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:19 PM   #16
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Why didn't they get you upgraded valves? They are cheap. And why do you have pump gas tunes?

Nice build overall, just knowing how Cobb plano's dyno reads, you may not have gained that much power at all, even with the full build and cams. Didn't you put down like 380 on awdtuning's dyno?
Ya and I've factored all that. I should put down ~398 on theirs now. The thing though is the whole powerband. Before it acted like a normal 30r setup. Now it shows it's benefits with it's peak tq around 4k-4400 instead of 4800-5200rpm. Cobb said when they first got the car it baselined at 430hp @ 28psi!!

**I'm not trying to stir things up between shops. Just what was told to me.**

As for the valves. I asked them the same thing. I had tons of questions for them:

Q) what's the rev limit?
A) Your rev limit will be around 7300-7500

Q) why, if the valvetrain was built?
A) your power is already beginning a descent around 6600rpm

Q) why OEM bearings and valves?
A) OEM bearings, they work, pure and smiple. You're running stock valves as they'll get the job done for the setup on your car.

Q) what exactly is "head refreshening"?
A) Head freshening includes a valve job, all components are cleaned (carbon deposit removal, etc) and new valve stem seals.

Q) why 3 pump gas maps?
A) 3 maps because its versatile... you can choose whatever you want and it takes less than a minute to switch maps... just giving you a choice

Q) why no E85 tune?
A) you would need extremely large injectors to run E85 and if you did that, the car would never be a practically daily driven car with 93 octane. So race gas (ie gasoline, not 85% ethanol), just makes more sense as a fuel to use.

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Old 11-07-2010, 12:39 PM   #17
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dyno numbers are just numbers. wait until you can drive the car at the track and then you'll see what it's really doing and what class of car you're driving. the power band comes on early and is fat, i don't think you'll be disappointed no matter if you're putting 500 down on cobbs and 350 at awdtunings, it doesn't really matter.

what they are saying about e85 sounds about right. to squeeze the maximum out of that setup you would probably want a double pumper feeding a surge tank and another inline. it all depends on your goals and what you are comfortable with doing.
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dyno numbers are just numbers. wait until you can drive the car at the track and then you'll see what it's really doing and what class of car you're driving. the power band comes on early and is fat, i don't think you'll be disappointed no matter if you're putting 500 down on cobbs and 350 at awdtunings, it doesn't really matter.

what they are saying about e85 sounds about right. to squeeze the maximum out of that setup you would probably want a double pumper feeding a surge tank and another inline. it all depends on your goals and what you are comfortable with doing.
The latest setup I saw was with one wally with 1300cc injectors running e85 just fine. He was pushing 24psi but idc's were 140% lol How is that possible? I've tried to do research on e85 and there are tons of threads but with that, you have to read through TONS of jargon to find ideal setups. Even at that, they don't compare to a setup such as this. I guess all that should matter is Injector size + fuel pump + fuel pressure...right??
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:26 PM   #19
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Laughing at reponce from them, I hate it when shops steer you into things, it sounded like you were most of the way there to making your own choices on the build, I would personally be happy w the old reg style 30r tho & just have built your motor/heads/cams
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Any chance you could post a before-and-after plot with the same boost level, to see the effects of the recent work?
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:31 PM   #21
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Not from the same shop :/ From different shops yes.
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:42 PM   #22
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Laughing at reponce from them, I hate it when shops steer you into things, it sounded like you were most of the way there to making your own choices on the build, I would personally be happy w the old reg style 30r tho & just have built your motor/heads/cams
Without the built motor, others were saying it pretty much was a standard 30r setup. "Now it shines". I was happy before just am gonna be stoked now
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Old 11-07-2010, 02:51 PM   #23
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I can't believe Plano only has 2 e85 stores!!
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Old 11-07-2010, 03:30 PM   #24
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making someone pay for 3 pump gas tunes that can be had by simply regulating your foot on the throttle seems a little weird.....15 psi ~50% throttle, 21 ~75% throttle, 24 psi @ 100% throttle. The SI drive is basically a gimmick that does the same thing......i guess most people just need to have their right foot planted to the floor. It just blows my mind that people would put the car in economy mode and be going WOT....lol.

did they charge you like $300-500 per tune?
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Old 11-07-2010, 03:42 PM   #25
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making someone pay for 3 pump gas tunes that can be had by simply regulating your foot on the throttle seems a little weird.....15 psi ~50% throttle, 21 ~75% throttle, 24 psi @ 100% throttle. The SI drive is basically a gimmick that does the same thing......i guess most people just need to have their right foot planted to the floor. It just blows my mind that people would put the car in economy mode and be going WOT....lol.

did they charge you like $300-500 per tune?
+1 to all that.

Nice set up though.
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