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Old 09-30-2010, 10:30 AM   #1
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Greetings Earthlings,

As you all may have experienced, Stage 2 has just become....

With that said....... Its time for a "subar" build...

Here is the basic layout and plans for the build: (Hopefully some of the experts can chime in with suggestions)


JE pistons - 100mm(Coated)-(Bore and honing required)
Eagle/Carillo/CP Rods
ACL Bearings
ARP Studs
BC 280 Cams
1mm over valves/springs/retainers
Element 52 or Blouch Dom2.0
PE or DW 850cc
TMIC or FMIC - 800-900cfm
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Heres what I already have:

Invidia Divorced Wastegate Downpipe
Greddy Evo2 Catback
Perrin turbo inlet
TGV Deletes
Grimmspeed 8mm phenolic spacers
Walbro 255
Grimmspeed 3-port EBCS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So the plan is to run close to 20lbs on the new setup!!!!..

The tune is going to be what makes or breaks this car, so im gonna head over to the guys at AMS in Chicago to fine tune this baby..

Anways, its gonna take a few months to gather the funds for this project, but I think im headed in the right direction.

Let me know what you guys think, and any criticism or suggestions will be welcome.... peace
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Old 09-30-2010, 11:02 AM   #2
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No reason to go 100mm if you don't have to. If you can get by with a stock or 99.75mm piston, do it. It'll leave more meat on your cylinders. The 280 cams may be a bit too much for that sized turbo (or at least overkill)... I don't think you need that much on the top end... Consider 264 or 272's.

Also, there's a lot of stuff you'll need that you generally don't think about.

-OEM Engine Gasket Kit - $225-250
-I would get new case bolts - $15
-Upgrade the clutch while you're in there - $500+
-BIG MAF type intake, you'll need it after you max out your maf. $225
-Depending on how many miles are on it, get a new water pump, oil pump, and timing belt tensioner, along with the timing belt. All those will add $600 or so depending on brand (oem vs cosworth oil pump, etc).

Other than that I think you have most of it covered, just be ready to spend more than you thought, and good luck!
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:53 PM   #3
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Good Thinking on the pistons..
Boring them out may affect the integrity of the cylinders.. no need to bother with that then..
As far as the cam is conserned, im in between BC 272's or 280's... Again, you may be right, and the 280's may be an overkill.. We'll see what happens with that.

And good lookin out with all the supporting mods that are needed... I'll figure those into the funds equation.. ahhaaha!!

I'll be updating this thread when more info is clear... peace
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:55 PM   #4
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Good Thinking on the pistons..
Boring them out may affect the integrity of the cylinders.. no need to bother with that then..
As far as the cam is conserned, im in between BC 272's or 280's... Again, you may be right, and the 280's may be an overkill.. We'll see what happens with that.

And good lookin out with all the supporting mods that are needed... I'll figure those into the funds equation..

I'll be updating this thread when more info is clear... peace
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Old 09-30-2010, 02:17 PM   #5
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I'm estimating about 7k for this build...
maybe including some machining (hone & bore)!!!
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:56 PM   #6
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Wow cool build, have you thought about exhaust manifold yet and other porting options?

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Old 09-30-2010, 10:31 PM   #7
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Eh it sounds more like just a super build. If you want the duper you're going to need a much bigger turbo.
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Old 10-01-2010, 10:11 AM   #8
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Just as a reference, here is my current build and the prices that go along with it:

EJ257 Case/Crank - $305.00
Machine Work - $250.00
Bearings - ACL Race - $93.90
OEM Gasket Kit/Assembly Lube/Case Bolts - $250.00
Wiseco Pistons/Manley Rods - $769.99
Cosworth High Pressure Oil Pump - $332.00
Killer B Optimal Oil Pan & Ultimate Pickup - $615.00
Group N Engine Mounts - $130.00
Carbonetics Single Clutch/Fly - $1,350
Gates Timing Belt/OEM Tensioner/Gates Water Pump - $302.44
Supertech Dual Coil Springs/Ti Retainers - $388.00
Injectors - 1000cc ID's - $475.00
Turbo Inlet- TBD - $250.00
KS Tech Big MAF CAI - 73mm - $250.00
APR Head Studs/1 Step Colder Spark Plug - $210.00
Brian Crower Stage II Cams - $680.00
Heads - Clean, PnP, 3-angle valve job - $600.00
Turbo - Blouch 20g-xt 10cm^2 Hotside - $1,200.00
Walbro 255 lph fuel pump and install kit - $100.00
Total Cost - $8,526.33

Obviously there are a couple things in there you already have, and some that you aren't going to do, but it's pretty close.
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Old 10-06-2010, 11:51 AM   #9
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Hmmm... thats a great reference
you've got everything covered there...
What are the specs on these BC cams, and isn't that a bit over the top for a 20g set up?? Im guessing maybe E-85????
Just wondering!!!
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Old 10-06-2010, 11:55 AM   #10
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What kinda super-duper build uses BC 280 cams? Hmmm. Looks like a usual basic build to me.

20 psi of boost? meh
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Hmmm... thats a great reference
you've got everything covered there...
What are the specs on these BC cams, and isn't that a bit over the top for a 20g set up?? Im guessing maybe E-85????
Just wondering!!!
Here's the specs on the bc cams:
http://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop...ms-p-3726.html

Yes, it's a lot of engine for a 20g-xt 10cm, but it will be running E. I have pretty lofty goals for that turbo, and I may need to bump it up in size. Right now I would like to hit and hold 400whp/400wtq for a few thousand rpms. I'm also planning a 8k redline and would like to hold as much power as possible up that high. By the time I'm ready for a turbo selection, I'm hoping there will be more options out there, but for right now I'm pretty much stuck with the new 18/20g's that are coming out for the 08+ layout, and the AMR stuff. I'm holding out for a Dom 3 XTR for the lgt layout.

Oh, and I'm trying to keep with the TMIC as I already have a Perrin unit... If I have to I'll go either process west TMIC with that adapter pipe for older layout turbo's, or just go FMIC.

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Old 10-06-2010, 12:52 PM   #12
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a single walbro will not power the turbo on e85, just lettin you know.

Start looking into a double pumper (if using for drag racing)
or...
a fuel cell or surge tank setup. (fuel cell is the better option)
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Old 10-06-2010, 12:57 PM   #13
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Yeah it's an always-evolving list. I've thought about a surge setup as I'd rather keep the stock tank for its capacity over a fuel cell (one of E's few downsides). Walbro feed the surge, and have an in-line in the tank. We'll see though, my current savings rate into my car fund means this build completion is about 3.5 years out.

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Old 10-06-2010, 10:11 PM   #14
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You don't know what a surge tank is. Quit building cars and do some learning
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Well then what is a surge tank? Something you stick in your ass?
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may i make a few suggestions.. . . . i have a very similar build as yours but a 2.0l . i am guessing yours is probably a 2.5l. my built motor setup is a, tomei arms turbo ( comparable to a 20g), bc 272 cams, dw 1000cc inj and it runs on e85.
for your power goal of 400whp, with my experience i would advise you to go with the 280 cams and 1000cc inj. if you do have a 2.5l it should still spool a little bigger turbo fast and help you hit your hp goal easier ( some thing to defiantly consider). i know a surge tank and in line pump would be ideal for ethanol but the in tank walbro will work fine, at least mine does with my dw 1000s. hope that helps at all.
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Cams are too big.
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^^^^what cams are too big? the 272 or the 280?
and are you saying they are too big to get them to idle? or because he is not revving very high?
A) if you are saying either of these cams are too big to idle properly. that is incorrect. mine idle at 1000rpms just fine.
B) if you are saying the 280s are to big because the motor will only be revving to 7k and will not be able to use the full potential of the cam then that is some thing i can understand and would consider.
i would keep in mind though that the bc cams are less agressive than other high end cams and maybe consider making your build rev a little higher. but thats just me.
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