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Old 06-26-2002, 08:42 AM   #1
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Question Best camber settings for Auto-x/street?

Who knows what the best camber settings are? I want a better auto-x car without hurting daily driving.

How does this sound?

Front -1.5

Rear -1.0

Patrick Olsen what do you suggest?
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Old 06-26-2002, 10:41 AM   #2
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Man, alluva sudden I've become the Alignment Expert. Two people have PM'd me lately asking for alignment advice, and now HI HO is asking for my thoughts, too. I rule!

OK, I would say those numbers look just fine. What kind of suspension do you have? Do you have rear camber bolts? Rear camber isn't adjustable unless you've added camber bolts, so whatever you get back there you're stuck with. Up front, unless you're running an aftermarket suspension, you probaby won't get much more than about -1.0deg, maybe -1.2deg if you're lucky. If the car is lowered then you might be able to get to where you want it to be.

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Old 06-26-2002, 11:23 AM   #3
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Hey, how many Legacy owners have ran in the One Lap of America? C/D has a good article this month about it. Looks like a ton of fun, but, also very hard.(to stay awake). They have a picture of a Diablo on a dirt oval, interesting to say the least.

Ok back to topic. I have stock suspention so the rear is as is. I will have the front set to -1.0/1.2. I am currently saving for a coilover system. I hope to get it for Christmas from my wife. I haven't read up on the Legacy coilovers yet but I think you have the DMS Golds right? What system do you suggest? PDM has the AGX+Eibach Prokit for $575. I know they are not coilovers but it is a good deal. I need to read up on this subject some more.

Any comments, guys?
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Old 06-26-2002, 11:31 AM   #4
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i'd go with whatever maximum equal negative camber is obtainable up front, whether it's -1.0, -1.4, or whatever.

what sort of toe settings are you looking at?
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Old 06-26-2002, 03:35 PM   #5
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Hey, how many Legacy owners have ran in the One Lap of America?
Actually, I did the Open Track Challenge, a different and way cooler event.

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I haven't read up on the Legacy coilovers yet but I think you have the DMS Golds right? What system do you suggest?
What system do I suggest? Not the DMS Golds. I removed mine for good two weekends ago and sent them back for a refund. Too many problems with quality control. Right now I'm looking into either a new set that Rallispec is supposed to start selling soon, or Koni inserts with Eibach coil-over sleeves. We shall see.....

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i'd go with whatever maximum equal negative camber is obtainable up front, whether it's -1.0, -1.4, or whatever.
Yeah, that's what I tell the guy at the alignment shop. I should have explicitly said that was what I recommend. So, HIHO, tell them what froggert said. You might end up with just -1.0deg or you might get -1.4deg, it just depends on the car.

As for toe, I run 0 up front and right now I'm running 1/16" out in the rear (to encourage the car to rotate at auto-x events). With the Golds on the car I ran 0 front and rear because I could tune the car's balance with the damping adjustments, plus I was running a mix of open track and auto-x events and didn't want the toe out on the track.

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Old 06-26-2002, 04:55 PM   #6
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I've got H&R Sport springs, STi Ver5 struts, Cusco front strut tower bar, and SPO Motorsports 3-way adjustable rear sway bar kit for my suspension mods. Last week, before the autocross, I had the alignment adjusted for the first time with autocrossing the main priority. I had picked these numbers off the forum here sometime last year when a similar question came up, and saved them, so I would have a reference point. I'm now running -2.0 deg camber up front, and -1.5 deg camber in the back, with zero toe all around. I must say the difference is fantastic. With the rear bar set at 21mm, the balance is great. Now, I don't have any miles on this setting for street use, so I don't know how bad tire wear will be. I don't expect them to get chewed off immediately or anything. I'll keep an eye on it, though.

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Old 06-26-2002, 05:00 PM   #7
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Oh yeah, on the street the improvement is wonderful. On the highway at speed, it's definitely more sensitive to your inputs, but not darty or squirrely or anything like that. I just don't know if you should drive with your knees anymore.

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Old 06-26-2002, 06:02 PM   #8
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Actually, I did the Open Track Challenge, a different and way cooler event.
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What system do I suggest? Not the DMS Golds. I removed mine for good two weekends ago and sent them back for a refund. Too many problems with quality control. Right now I'm looking into either a new set that Rallispec is supposed to start selling soon, or Koni inserts with Eibach coil-over sleeves. We shall see.....
Yeah I read some of your post about the problems with the Golds. I have also read some stuff about the Koni inserts. A bunch of WRX owners love them. Well whatever you do please keep us informed. Hopefully by the begining of next year I will have an idea of what works.

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Yeah, that's what I tell the guy at the alignment shop. I should have explicitly said that was what I recommend. So, HIHO, tell them what froggert said. You might end up with just -1.0deg or you might get -1.4deg, it just depends on the car.
OK I will tell Gene the most negitive up to -1.5. I have read that
-2.0 will cause uneven tire wear.

Rich, please let us know how the -2.0 wears.
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i've been running -1.6 degrees up front and 0 toe and have been wearing the outer edges of the tires faster than the inner ones.

toe, tire pressures and rotation are going to be major contributors to uneven tire wear as well.
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Old 01-21-2003, 09:43 PM   #10
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Heh heh...

I was doing a search for something else, and came across this old thread. Just wanted to update everyone on my tire wear. They actually wore on the outside edge faster. I would say this is from the autocrosses. I ran about 6 events, 8 runs each, on a large concrete surface with this alignment. Our courses are usually pretty open, with higher speeds (needed 3rd gear a few times). Anyway, the tires are fine, other than the abuse I've heaped on them. Other than the outer edges, tire wear has been even. There is no cupping or weird wear patterns on the tread. I've put approximately 10k miles on the alignment, with a total of about 13k on the tires. I'll be able to get through the first one or two events this spring with them before they need replacing.

Rich

(And yes, I'm running zero toe, keep up with air pressures, and have rotated them pretty frequently.)
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