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Old 07-27-2009, 05:30 PM   #1
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Default All Season Tires vs Dedicated Summer/Winter

Do any of you think it's worth it to have dedicated summer and dedicated winter tires for the area that we live in (Pacific Northwest)? I've been really leaning towards the PZero Nero all season tires, but as Tire Rack so famously puts "all seasons are jacks of all trades but masters of none". I still have my stock rims with stock wrx tires on them as well and they seemed to do fine in the winter, but we are talking potential here people! I would eventually replace the stock tires on them for dedicated if I choose to have two sets. I just don't want year round squishyness if unnecessary lol. What do ya'll think?

I know there are plenty of tire threads on this forum and I'm not looking for specific tire info, so no flaming on that :P
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Old 07-27-2009, 05:39 PM   #2
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I run dedicated snow tires in the winter, but I went with a high performance all-season for the rest of the year. A summer only tire is scary under 40 degrees, and we have nights well below that at late as May and as early as October. I wanted to be able to run my "nice" wheels longer than mid-May to mid October. With All-season I can run them March to late November.
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Old 07-27-2009, 05:48 PM   #3
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If you are a skier/snowboarder winter tires have unbelievable traction compared to all-seasons.

Came in pretty handy this last winter, too.
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Old 07-27-2009, 05:55 PM   #4
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depends on where you live here.... and what you do with your car. me personally i am running three sets... dedicated ws60 blizzacks for winter... im a big snowbaorder and i go to canada alot. i only but my winters on when the first snow falls and take them off in like end of feb... i run all seasons in the spring and fall and june july and august i am running dedicated summers for racing.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:03 PM   #5
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If you are a skier/snowboarder winter tires have unbelievable traction compared to all-seasons.

Came in pretty handy this last winter, too.
+1 also, the rocks chip the hell out of your rims. So if you have invested a couple bucks for some nice rims, save them and get some crappy ones for winter.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:07 PM   #6
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Dedicated snow/ice tires are awesome, but most people don't need them. If you're running to the pass to go skiing or you live on a nasty hill, then yeah. Otherwise all season M&S tires work great.


Having said that, when I had snow tires on my Jetta I was able to cruise around Bellingham after the awesome freezing rain that turned all of downtown into an ice rink. Going up Ellis towards Lakeway/Holly/Samish I stopped, then passed an OBS on (probably bald) all seasons that was sliding sideways down the hill.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:07 PM   #7
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I have two dedicated sets of wheels and tires, and would never only run on one set year round. End of story. When Fall comes I'll retire my RE-01R's and throw on my other wheels (this years winter tires have yet to be bought) and rock em til snowboarding season is over. If you drive anywhere near the mountains, I wouldn't even think twice about all seasons. The way I see it, if you're semi-comfortable with driving in the snow all seasons will probably be good enough for you to get around, however I like the added safety margin of being that much more able to avoid accidents in the snow. I don't worry about myself as much as the other idiots on the road, and being able to get out of their way is priceless to me.


putting the summer tires back on in the spring time and hittin corners is pretty gratifying too
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:16 PM   #8
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If you are a skier/snowboarder winter tires have unbelievable traction compared to all-seasons.

Came in pretty handy this last winter, too.
I cannot agree more with this comment. The traction and just overall feeling of my Blizzaks in the snow blows my Goodyear Eagle F1 all seasons out of the water (which weren't bad to begin with). If you spend any time at all in the mountains (or on the east side of the state for that matter) in the winter, I would highly recommend snow tires.

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I run dedicated snow tires in the winter, but I went with a high performance all-season for the rest of the year. A summer only tire is scary under 40 degrees, and we have nights well below that at late as May and as early as October. I wanted to be able to run my "nice" wheels longer than mid-May to mid October. With All-season I can run them March to late November.
This is a pretty good point as well. As stated above, I have all season as my 'summer tires,' mostly because I got new tires for my BBSbefore I ever got snow tires. To lengthen the life of my snow tires, I don't put them on until the day before I head up to the mountains for the first time, which is usually early December. There are times prior to, as well as after ski season, where the temperature can be well below what can be 'safe' for a summer tire.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:21 PM   #9
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sounds like the question is:

Traction or no traction year round?
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:21 PM   #10
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I run all seasons in the summer (last longer) nt-01 on the track, and snow tires in the winter.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:28 PM   #11
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I run all seasons in the summer (last longer) nt-01 on the track, and snow tires in the winter.
This is what I will do with the Outback. I was running full summer/winter with the STi. I don't drive the outback very hard so a higher wear-rating and the occasional colder night fall/spring make the all season good.

but man, if you have never run a full winter tire in winter conditions on a Subaru, you ain't seen nothing yet. crap, I would take a front wheel drive car with great snow tires over a Suby with all seasons in poor conditions.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:08 PM   #12
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Cool cool, good info on here! I appreciate the input! I just discovered one of my RE070's has a nail in and it appears to be too far on the side to be fixed. So, the hunt for tires started. I do have to say I like the idea of an all-season tire for my summer tire, but coming from the 070's? Don't know if I will like my summer performance as much because yes I also enjoy the spirited corner driving haha. But for sure I'll mount some Blizzak's onto my stock rims one I have the money to do so.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:10 PM   #13
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Oh and yes I tend to find myself boarding and making drives on forest service roads during the winter - to support my point of mounting blizzaks on my stockers
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:18 PM   #14
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I run kumho ecsta SPTs in the summer, Dunlop Wintersport 3D's in the winter. I swap tires, not rims but my rims are about to be powder coated so rock chips aren't a worry.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:36 PM   #15
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Cool cool, good info on here! I appreciate the input! I just discovered one of my RE070's has a nail in and it appears to be too far on the side to be fixed. So, the hunt for tires started. I do have to say I like the idea of an all-season tire for my summer tire, but coming from the 070's? Don't know if I will like my summer performance as much because yes I also enjoy the spirited corner driving haha. But for sure I'll mount some Blizzak's onto my stock rims one I have the money to do so.


Winter trips to the mountain means dedicated snow tires are a major plus.

I ran Yokohama S-drives on my LGT and they were fine in all but the nastiest slushy ice, but then again I didn't take it up on forest service roads or skiing or anything like that. I did swap my RE92s though, because it was my work car and getting in a wreck with clients and having summer tires on the car would be a bad idea.
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:02 PM   #16
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For me just around town all terrain year around. Little more aggressive than all seasons, ok summer performance. Given my truck can't drive like your cars. Not to mention I actually enjoy driving on snow and stuff with my tires. Quite fun. Rear wheel drive adds to that though. Just don't get me on slops, or anything too deep.

You want to learn some winter driving, keep those all seasons on. Keeps you on your toes.
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:30 PM   #17
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Running all seasons here. As a daily driver, I don't think it warrants a full range of wheels for the current season, especially if you only deal with mild snow conditions. The wear is great on them and my personal philosophy is to save the "track" wheels for the closed course. I was running real soft tires prior, but I found myself throwing money away when I lose a ton of tire on mundane freeway type commutes.
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:43 PM   #18
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If any of you watched the news, our area was featured during the winter for really bad winters.

That's about as worse it could get. About 1-2 feet of snow.

In all the student body, only 2 people had 4WD/AWD. Me and my classmate with his Dodge.

Everyone else had FWD and all seasons. Poor chaps! (some of them deserved to get stuck, because of the asshat driving style they do)
BTW, I have studded Nokian Hakka's. And congress wants to ban studs?
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:05 PM   #19
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Nick.... Goodyear F1 all seasons ftw! Roush, wagonmafia dave, mdash and I run them.

I ran them in the snow, rain and they handle great in the dry.

I got a pretty sweet deal and warranty at discount tire bt the super mall.
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:06 PM   #20
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i usually have all seasons on most of the time cause you never know when its gonna rain and puddle up somewhere. then in the winter blizzaks FTW
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:38 PM   #21
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I run Yokohama W.drive in winter November-March on stockers, and 235-40-18 BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDW NT the rest of the time. A lot of "summer tires" are designed for rain now which is nice, if you don try to push your car on those few cool nights you have the best traction all around. +you have stockers why not and you paint them its fun
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:45 PM   #22
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And congress wants to ban studs?

All for it, this is LONG overdue.

Gotta love all the western washington retards who run around with studded tires nov. 1- april 1, every year for the maybe 2 slightly snowy days we have. They tear the roads up, and the compromises you make in dry and wet traction to have that little bit more ice traction are ridiculous. People need to understand you don't need studs to have traction in snow. Take a ride with me on a snowy day with my wintersports on.
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:00 AM   #23
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Summer tires make the car so much more fun to drive. And it's not hard to swap wheels or something...

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Gotta love all the western washington retards who run around with studded tires nov. 1- april 1, every year for the maybe 2 slightly snowy days we have. They tear the roads up, and the compromises you make in dry and wet traction to have that little bit more ice traction are ridiculous. People need to understand you don't need studs to have traction in snow. Take a ride with me on a snowy day with my wintersports on.
Amen. Hell, I got around just fine last winter with just my all season Toyo Proxes 4.
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:05 AM   #24
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at this point and time I will pimp my tires and rims that will be going up for sale shortly.

Winter wheels

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Old 07-28-2009, 01:55 AM   #25
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I pretty mirror what everyone else has said here. Dedicated summers that go on once the early mornings are consistently over 45 degrees. Sometimes this is March, sometimes its May just depends on the year. I don't let my calendar determine when I change tires.

The truth is most all season tires still have decreased traction below 45 degrees, so even if it isn't snow or ice you are talking about, just cold pavement on a standard all season tire can increase you stopping distance.

Remember with AWD you should have no trouble getting going, its stopping that is the true test of the performance of a tire in winter conditions.

As far as studs, horrible idea in this area. Studs actually lower the amount of contact that the rubber on your tires makes against the road on non-iced / snow packed roads. Meaning, when it rains (i forget, with these 95 degree temps does it rain here?) hydroplaning becomes a much greater danger on studded ice/snow tires.

Long and short, if you want to drive your car all days of the year, make sure you have the proper equipment. If you want one solution that will get you by 90% of the time, get an all season tire. Just realize you will pay for that with about 1-2 weeks of a parked car, or curbed wheels and or scuffed bumpers if you are dumb enough to drive when it gets nasty.
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