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Old 10-17-2010, 12:07 AM   #1
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Default kinugawa 60-1 td06 20g

Anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this turbo? Here is the link

http://cgi.ebay.com/Turbocharger-SUB...item1c164d21dd
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Old 10-17-2010, 12:21 AM   #2
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I posted a thread about this awhile ago and people said that these turbos were pretty good and mainly used with our cars over in Europe and Australia
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Old 10-17-2010, 12:49 PM   #3
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Got one in europe and it,s not fiting on the stock uppipe and downpipe, had to send back
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Old 10-18-2010, 12:20 PM   #4
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I hope they fixed the problem. I took the plunge and bought one. I will be running 1000cc fiveomotorsport sidefeed injectors with it. I am crossing my fingers. I just wanted to be a little different and not get the usual blouch dom 3 but mix it up and see if there is power and reliabilty with a much cheaper turbo. I will be driving down to cobb in plano or dallas wherever they are located now and get a tune over the holidays.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:38 PM   #5
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^ why would you want to be "different" and get a cheapo turbo? a dom 3 turbo will put that turbo to shame, there isnt even a comparison, plus its about $1000 more. Its not always a good thing to be so different, especially with SOME of the crap ebay has to offer. They also sell some terrible headlights and taillights, you could be different and slap them on ur car since no one wants to admit they have them on here. I have an ebay front lip and love it, the quality was very surprising, so I'm not saying everything ebay is crap, but most stuff for our cars is. I wouldnt trust that crappy little chinese or Taiwanese turbo on my $20-25k car thats all I'm saying

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Old 10-18-2010, 05:47 PM   #6
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^ why would you want to be "different" and get a cheapo turbo? a dom 3 turbo will put that turbo to shame, there isnt even a comparison, plus its about $1000 more. Its not always a good thing to be so different, especially with SOME of the crap ebay has to offer. They also sell some terrible headlights and taillights, you could be different and slap them on ur car since no one wants to admit they have them on here. I have an ebay front lip and love it, the quality was very surprising, so I'm not saying everything ebay is crap, but most stuff for our cars is. I wouldnt trust that crappy little chinese or Taiwanese turbo on my $20-25k car thats all I'm saying
Kinugawa is a reputable turbo brand. Not an e-bay brand at all. There is a big thread on them around here.
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Old 10-18-2010, 09:06 PM   #7
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reputable.....Sorry, blouch/FP/Garrett/Mitsubishi/etc are reputable turbos
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Old 10-18-2010, 09:40 PM   #8
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reputable.....Sorry, blouch/FP/Garrett/Mitsubishi/etc are reputable turbos
Mitsubishi and Garrett dont count as they are actual manufacturers.

Blouch, Forced Performance, etc, etc dont manufacture anything more than likely, and have things made overseas with their label being put on it. Of course it comes with their backing in regards to a warranty, which helps the consumer greatly.

Kinugawa, which is rumored to be a Kamak turbo has been selling quite a bit in Aus and the EU, and has been praised in other Suby and EVO specific forums for more than a year.
Kamak doesn't sell direct anymore that I can see, but now is just selling turbos with a branding service for folks to put their own label on the turbos. Thus Kinugawa, and a few others that I've seen on ebay, not to mention vendors on this very site...

That said, your opinion is based on perception, not fact. I'm not an owner of any of the mentioned grey market turbos I actually have an FP turbo. But if one does some digging, most people are quite pleased with Kamak and Kinugawa on the web for many applications, not just Subaru's.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:18 PM   #9
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The way I see it is Kando turbos have some good reviews backing them and its not like blouch and FP are without their faults. I know going outside the norm is crazy to some but I like to switch it up. Back to the 60-1 Td06 from what I can tell its like a middle point between a dom 3 and dom 4 closer to the dom 4. So it should have the potential to make some good power on some E85 running @ 24-25 psi.

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Old 10-19-2010, 12:57 PM   #10
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reputable.....Sorry, blouch/FP/Garrett/Mitsubishi/etc are reputable turbos
This just shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:57 PM   #11
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I have just received my Kinugawa TD06SL2 20G with an 8 cm^2 turbine housing. The machining quality looks to be just as good if not better than my Garrett GT2560, with an even better qaulity compressor housing than my AVO. All the fittings included were excellent quality as well. I am EXTREMELY pleased with this turbo, just need to install it and see what she does!

Just because Kinugawa/Kamak is not a household name over here, doesn't mean its any less of a product than the big name resellers...
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:10 PM   #12
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I have just received my Kinugawa TD06SL2 20G with an 8 cm^2 turbine housing. The machining quality looks to be just as good if not better than my Garrett GT2560, with an even better qaulity compressor housing than my AVO. All the fittings included were excellent quality as well. I am EXTREMELY pleased with this turbo, just need to install it and see what she does!

Just because Kinugawa/Kamak is not a household name over here, doesn't mean its any less of a product than the big name resellers...
Keep us posted!
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:11 PM   #13
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Pics please! Post'em up! I almost pulled the trigger on one as well but I have never seen the quality to make the decision.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:16 PM   #14
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I've used 60-1 compressor wheels in non Subaru applications. It's not like say a GT30, which loves high booost or just higher strung engines. The 60-1 is very efficient for moderate boost levels, 16-21 pounds, if you've got an engine that flows well enough. The 60-1 used to be popular on inline 6 and rotary engines--HKS made T04S kits that used the same wheel, but the housings were optimized for bigger engines.

This 20G hybrid version has a very small hotside and smallish compressor housing given the compressor wheel. I wonder how that will work out in this application. Usually you will see T4 P-trim hotsides and 4 inch inlets with this compressor wheel.

I just don't know how well an EJ25 will do with a compressor that wants to flow 50-60 lbs/min at 20 psi boost.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:43 PM   #15
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I did a ton of research on these turbos a while back and basically what I found was alot of varied information. Yes, there are people out there that are singing their praises, but there is the opposite too.

A couple of positives are that Kamak does high speed balance their turbos. This is something that the cheap ebay turbos do not do. They also are the main seller of turbo rebuild kits and CHRA's on ebay. They are economically priced as they can be a few to several hundred dollars cheaper than other turbo brands.

Unknowns ... I can not speak to build quality or fitment as I have not had one in my hands. Build and fitment comments have come up on both sides of the fence.

Their are a few negatives out there; one is there is very limited information out there on these turbos. It would be great to see consistent performance and longevity information on them from many different people and a few different tuners. They have a very limited reputation, especially here in the states. Locally, I can tell you that the performance company selling them does not even advertise them and their history with turbos is not well respected in local circles. Could this be due to Kamak turbos is a question I can't answer. Kamak turbos are branded under several different company names (kinugawa, Xaviar, their are probably many more) making it hard to track down information or get a sense of reputation here in the US.

I am not going to say they are good or bad, because I just haven't seen enough info out there. You just can't compare a Kamak turbo to other well known reputable turbo manufactures at this point. The data out there associated with the well known brands dwarfs that of Kamak's. That being said anyone that buys a Kamak branded turbo should definitely post reviews, dyno charts, and tune information, so that everyone can learn a little more about this manufacturer.
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Pics please! Post'em up! I almost pulled the trigger on one as well but I have never seen the quality to make the decision.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1888017

Pics of the turbo from the opening of the package are on the last page. Its not the same model as the OP was asking about, but it is a Kinugawa.

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Old 02-18-2011, 05:49 PM   #17
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http://www.kamakdynamics.com/catalog...TALOG_2011.pdf

There is the KAMAK catalog, they make Kinugawa's turbochargers. To the naysayers; Id like to see another turbo catalog as complete and detailed as this one (other than Garrett LOL)
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:57 PM   #18
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I have one of these fitted to my sti.Its my second turbo I have bought from them,the first being the TD06SL2-20g.
That went so well i decided to purchase from them again.
The one I have has the larger turbine the TD06H so will make abit more at the top end.
Didnt have any major dramas with fitment only the normal tight room with the 3" comp cover.
Spool isnt to bad for a turbo this size non BB 20psi by 3.5k,23-24 by 3.8k in 4th gear.It will hold around 23 psi to redline,we found when tuning that any more then 24psi didnd really gain any extra power.
I have a airboy graph in the Proven Power Bragging forum,post 1831,1832
that shows a log and mods.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...728653&page=74

Would by from them again if I was after another cheap turbo.

Will be doing a engine build some time this year so will properly go for a GTX3076 I think.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:22 PM   #19
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I should also add that apart from these 2 cheaper turbos I have always bought AVO turbos.
Do I think that the AVO turbos performed that much better for being twice the price I would say no.
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I've only had good luck with their rebuild kits, compressor wheels and turbine wheels bought as individual components, my brother in law has put almost 30k miles on one of their 20gs.
I've recently started putting together a rotated 60-1 td06sl2, which I thought was essentially the same as a Red and looks very similar to a gt30 on paper. I'm using the $99 obx rotated kit, 3" compressor housing and 60-1 wheel-$150, td06sl2 turbine wheel-$112, greddy triangle flanged turbine housing- $125 and a rebuild kit-$70, all made by Kamak/Kinugawa. Should be fun, hoping to hit around 400 hp on a 2.5 with some fast spool, hopefully the 8cm housing won't choke it too much.
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Old 02-19-2011, 04:33 PM   #21
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1888017

From post in my build thread:

Pics of the turbo from the opening of the package. Its not the same model as the OP was asking about, but it is a Kinugawa.
Asian box, what could it be?


Hmm!?? Whats inside here?


Oh! Mr Kinugawa send me special gift: TD06LSL2 20G




TD06SL2 exhaust wheel, with T25 8cm^2 housing




Install kit including gaskets (very high quality ones), oil feed line, banjo bolt, fittings, and crush washers:


Took it apart to clock the compressor and exhaust housing:




Exhaust housing comparison: Garrett T25 exhaust housing .63 A/R vs Kinugawa T25 8cm^2



More pics soon once I mock it up...
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Looks great! Thanks for posting up pics
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Here are some pics comparing the 60-1 comp wheel and 20G wheel.
Also comparing the TD06H-60-1 compared to a TD06SL2-20G.




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Sweet pics, the 60-1 wheel is big, 76.8/59.5 compared to a gt30's 76.2/57.
The td06sl2 wheel 54/61mm, gt30 wheel is 60mm with 84 trim, which I think comes out to 55mm or so. Lots of variable there, wheel efficiency, bearings, housings, etc.
Really like to see some flow comparisons between the 2, I've seen 61 lbs/min on the 60-1 wheel but nothing concrete.
Should be fun.
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how does this turbo perform?
i'm looking at getting a td05 20g with the garret 60-1 wheel/compressor cover from kando dynamic ,
does any one know how it will perform on a 2lt , or would the 20g be better ,
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