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Old 06-28-2002, 01:57 PM   #1
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Default **flame suit on**, before you judge, hear me out, 2002 Civic SI VS 2001 RS

alright, i know im going into the depths of hell on this, but just listen b4 you bust out the flamin pics

ive been around the boards for over a year and a half, dreamin and hopin to actually get an RS, learning alot so thats good

im now in the market to get one before i go to college, finally

so why dont you go out and test drive one, well there is the dellema

i live in New Orleans

if you are not familiar with my problem, let me tell you, there are 2 dealerships here, both have about 40 legacies and maybe 5 wrxs ever, no RS, they have never had an RS, and they have never seen one

i had them look up where the closest one is, and its in alabama, so test driving one is out of the question

now i drove wrx, awsome car, love it to death, but i dont like the body style(i know i know, im a loser) and its out of my price/insurance range right now

there is only 1 2.5 powered forester, but they guy didnt let me drive it, its their showroom one.......
so i have no experiance with the 2.5l's power and how it feels like

now comes the comparision, the closest thing ive driven to the RS's output is the 2002 SI, at 160hp
now that thing was nice, its no WRX, but it was actually pretty fast, i assume it weighs less than the RS tho

ive contacted a dealer in VA that can ship one to my dealer, and if i bought one thats the way id do it, but i dont want to be unhappy with the power output or feel, like my standards are too high or something like that, im pretty sure i woudlnt be, but you know, pre 18grand jitters ya know.

so, how do they compare, feel wise, im talking stock/stock...2001 RS VS 2002 SI

please stand in my shoes here, im no way in hell buyin a honda ever, im just using it as a reference point


sorry bout the length, and if you feel like im stupid, go ahead, but ive explored all the options into driving one and its zilch until i purchase it, or drive 3 days

so thanks for the input in advance
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Old 06-28-2002, 02:32 PM   #2
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You can't go wrong with the 01 2.5RS. Mine impressed me so much I had to get a WRX too.
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Old 06-28-2002, 03:15 PM   #3
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I think you'll be surprised by the neck-snapping low-end torque the 2.5 produces. Try test-driving a Legacy sedan to get a feel for the engine, and just imagine how much more responsive the car will be with 500 fewer pounds. Those Honda engines have to be revved really high before you get any juice out of them.
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Old 06-28-2002, 03:28 PM   #4
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Someone is selling a turbo 2.5 rs for about 18K i think, you should look into that. Look under private sales.

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Old 06-28-2002, 03:35 PM   #5
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I have a 2.5RS and have driven many, many WRX's on the street and on the track. The difference in feel....I would sum up like this.

The 2.5 suspension is a bit softer. Enough to notice, but not bad.
The 2.5 obviously has less power, but quite honestly, I was under-whelmed by the power of the WRX. (I was also doing a comparison with the S4, which is a HUGE difference). This is partly due to the spool up of the turbo and the added weight of the WRX.
The WRX seats are more supportive. The side bolsters are noticeably higher.
Brakes (stock) have exactly the same feel (which they should, because they use the same calipers and pads...just bigger rotors and different bracket to allow the bigger rotor.


Ok, I have also driven Civic SI's. I've owned a CRX-SI...which has a very similar feel.
Hondas have very high reving engines. The advantage is that you don't have to shift as often on the track. I personally think they are better engines, but the engine is not the entire car.
The Honda will get better gas mileage. But both would be very good. I get 27mpg on the highway with my RS. About 8 at the track . The new Civics have a new suspension which is geared to econo-car status, unlike the previous gen which was a great performance suspension.

You can upgrade a RS with parts from other subarus. Let's just suppose that you have the RS and your girl friend has an Outback LTD Wagon. Say one night you're in the garage looking and think to yourself.....hmmmm. Wonder if those bigger rotors and caliper brackets can swap between them? hmmmm. They do. (my wife has an OBW) 2 rotors front, 2 rotors back, 2 caliper brackets front, 2 caliper brackets back and you have killer brakes. (note...I've got 4 pots on the front, so have not touched the wife's fronts)



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Old 06-28-2002, 04:27 PM   #6
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how much better are the outback brakes on the RS?
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Old 06-28-2002, 04:33 PM   #7
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Regarding the new SI:

Go to Edmunds.com, they summed up the SI in one word - disappointing
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Old 06-28-2002, 04:39 PM   #8
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Surprisingly, the 02 Si weighs about the same as teh 01 RS (~2800 pounds). With the power curve of the Si, the RS will definitely feel much faster around town. I would also figure the RS would outrun an Si on the strip as well (stock versus stock).

So, it depends on what you're looking for in a car. Want a car that will run forever and can get over the looks of the Si? Want a car that will probably run forever and can deal with a used car?

What are you looking for in a car? The Si might be more practical, as the RS doesn't have fold-down seats (though you can remove the rear seat easily, as most do). I would pick the RS every time, if nothing else because it looks much, much better. Even if you don't like the rally look of the RS, the Honda is an ugly box, with dinky wheels.

The RS has a great motor. No, not a revver like the Honda; the HP peak in the RS is about where the i-VTEC kicks in on the Honda. But for what you use a car for, the nip and tuck of daily driving, the RS is king. In traffic jams on the freeway, I just leave it in third.

Once the roads clear and start to twist, I enjoy the RS more than a so-so front-driver. The SVT Focus is supposed to be a sweet handler (as is the MINI)...those are near the MSRP of the Si...would be alternatives if you can find one to drive (maybe on the Focus, probably not on the MINI).
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Old 06-28-2002, 06:09 PM   #9
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I think a 2002 Si is a bad car to compare for a power reference. The reason is torque - The RS has good torque and the Civic does not. There Civics Si's smooth power comes from revs, and the RS's power comes from displacement.

I think a better comparison would be the Sentra SER (not the spec V), both have 2.5 liter engines that dish out good torque, and they are close in size and wieght.
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Old 06-28-2002, 06:20 PM   #10
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Being a honda owner, having owned a 99 civic EX, '00 Si, and a '00 prelude, currently own an S2000, and buying my WRX tonite .. I'm pretty qualified when it comes to describing the "typical" characteristics of a Honda. The new HB Si is quite a disappointment. They moved away from their high revving history to a lowly 6750 rpm redline. They increase the torque by moving up from 1.6L to 2.0L. The HB Si is the base motor from the RSX. Honda doesn't want to compete against themselves by using the RSX-S motor. That comes next year when honda releases a SiR version of the HB -- 6speed RSX-S 2.0L motor. The 99-00 Si is faster than the current Si. Honda retired the prelude which disappointed me very much. The new 2003 accord is supposed to replace the missing hole where the prelude was. Honda needs to come out with something strong very soon in the $20k market or everyone will leave them for Subaru, Nissan, or Toyota. Honda can do it, they just need to realize that the younger market can make a big impact on their success. The S2000 is an amazing car, and I love mine forever. There isn't anything I don't like about it, especially since mine is supercharged ... I am getting the Wagon WRX to compliment the S2000. Its nice to see everyone on here be able to talk about other manufacturers without all the typical biased flaming that is on so many other boards.
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Old 06-28-2002, 07:43 PM   #11
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buy an '01 RS. It's the dig-bombity. I say this from first-hand experience. F the Civic. Atrocious acceleration.
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Old 06-28-2002, 08:32 PM   #12
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buy an '01 RS. It's the dig-bombity. I say this from first-hand experience. F the Civic. Atrocious acceleration.

Hahhaa "dig-bombity"

I have to agre with you there. I love my RS. The car just seems to respond to what you want it to do. I do long for some forced induction, but untill then, the RS still rocks!

You should be able to get the dealer to get the car from the other dealer without signing papers. My dealer waned to do it for me just for an excuse to get an RS on his lot. At the time there were only two new 2001 RS's in NJ. I wound up doing a private deal from a lady in PA. I drove 3hr each way for test drive ans i feel it was well worth it.
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Old 06-28-2002, 09:33 PM   #13
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how much better are the outback brakes on the RS?
Outback (at least OBW ltd) are exactly the same as WRX. Same calipers and pads but approx 1/2" bigger rotors for both, so feel is similar....slightly less force needed, but track performance is noticably better. I have the 4 pots in front (added pad area) which go a notch higher again.

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Old 06-30-2002, 01:50 PM   #14
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thanks for the comparisons guys

i know i wont be dissapointed

now comes the trouble of trying to find one.....

anyone know if that VW subaru dealer that is on autotrader in longbeach still has those 8 RS's thats still listed?
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Old 06-30-2002, 05:50 PM   #15
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i had a 93 honda cicic si that i loved, but it was totalled in an accident that i was in back in october.
i test drove an RS coupe about 3 years ago and fell madly in love. i always knew that when i got rid of the honda, that the RS would be my next car. when the time finally came around for me to start looking for a replacement, i was on a mission. i called every Sube dealer in FL to no avail. i finally ended up having to go all the way to Troncalli Subaru near Atlanta, GA. (i live in So. Florida) i flew up on a saturday and drove it home on sunday and have not regretted it. i loved my civic, it was the perfect car for me (could get TONS of crap in the back), but the performance with my RS makes the civic look like it had hamsters under the hood.

just buy the RS you will not regret it.
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Old 06-30-2002, 08:54 PM   #16
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Another vote for the RS. Unfortunately, mine got totaled last year. I was at a red light and got rear ended by a Civic! But anyway, the RS feels strong at most any speed (and mine was an automatic).
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Old 07-01-2002, 12:32 AM   #17
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As far as the track goes, that 02 Si is a dog. I raced one cause it was supposed to be just about dead even to my 02 RS, not even close, he saw nothing but my tail lights.

I dont know anything on how they drive or interior or anything, just the above.

5K miles on my RS and loving it everyday.

One problem I have found in the RS, has anyone been able to drive slow in it? I find it hard to get a smooth shift trying to drive normal.
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Old 07-01-2002, 01:54 AM   #18
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the 2002 si is a typical honda...low torque, not too fast, but fun to drive...shifter is weird and i didnt like it too much, but most people say you can shift easier with it there...but its a honda, and everyone has them...if that bothers you get the rs...not too many go with subaru
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Old 07-01-2002, 10:00 AM   #19
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im not looking at buying the honda
its just a base for my comparison
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Old 07-01-2002, 11:51 AM   #20
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has anyone been able to drive slow in it?
No.
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Old 08-08-2002, 06:44 PM   #21
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Talking THAT dealership

"if you are not familiar with my problem, let me tell you, there are 2 dealerships here, both have about 40 legacies and maybe 5 wrxs ever, no RS, they have never had an RS, and they have never seen one"

I know what you're talking about. I actually live in New York, but had my 7,500 mile service done at the dealership on 190 in Covington when I was visiting my parents in Mandeville in May. I forget the name of the place.

I don't think they had ever done any work on an Impreza. I had to get the service guide out of my car to show them what they had to do for the service.

As for your comparison...I've never driven an Si. I have a WRX wagon and my roommate has a 2002 Outback Sport. The OBS is tons of fun to drive; handling very nearly as well as the WRX. The RS should outhandle the OBS.

As for power, I don't know. Instead of looking at total output, you could decide based on HOW the power is delivered. RS == lots down low, then falls off. Si == nothing, but linearly increases. Boxers do sound better, IMHO.

You'd get better mileage with the Honda. I did a lot of highway miles when I lived in Louisiana, so that might be an important factor.

When I am stuck on the Causeway or on 10 during an afternoon thunderstorm, I'd rather have AWD.

An SVT Focus might be sweet; flexible hatchback, 6-speed, cheap for the performance, and it's a Ford so everyone and their brother can work on it. I actually wanted to buy one of those, but they weren't available when I was shopping. So I got my WRX.
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Old 08-09-2002, 01:05 PM   #22
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yours might be the one they told me about then..
they said the think they did have 1 impreza in the shop ever...

yes, the one on 190 is the one i am talking about
its a lincoln mercury dealer but have an subaru offshoot




well good news and bad news guys


i just bought a black 01' RS from a guy in DC

my dad is driving it home as we speak, so i am one happy bastard

1 problem....

dad just called and it threw a CEL so he is finding a dealer in manassas VA.

the car has a full MRT headerback exhaust with high flow cat, we think it must be a cat efficeiny code, but he is taking it in just to be sure


he said the car was in perfect shape, not a scratch on it too =)))

god i hope this isnt serious or i dont have to live with a CEL for ever.....
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Old 08-09-2002, 05:45 PM   #23
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Welcome to the RSClub,

Most likely you will find the code is P0420. Welcome to the CE Light Club too!! It'll be around for a while. I still have plans to relocate my front O2 sensor, ala Brullen, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

You'll be happy with the RS/MRT combo, though...it should see off the SVT Focus as well (same weight, less power/traction).

Mmmmmm!
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Old 08-09-2002, 10:23 PM   #24
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I know what you mean about some dealers not having many 2.5RS's.
I drove through my nearest Subaru dealer today, and they had two Subarus.

Period.

For the record, one was an Outback Sport, the other was a TS.


It's a tiny Subaru/Volkswagen dealership in Cranbrook, BC, nestled between two fruit stands. It has no showroom, no garage that I could see, just a small house-sized building for an office.
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