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Old 10-22-2010, 04:13 AM   #1
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BMW—like its competitors Audi and Mercedes—is hot to add to its small-car portfolio, and new information suggests that the Munich-based firm could be planning as many as four new and/or rethought products to slot below the 3-series by 2015. For enthusiasts, certainly the most exciting prospect is the possibility of a 2-series. Just this month, BMW filed U.S. trademark applications for the monikers 228, 230, and 235. The -28, -30, and -35 suffixes are currently affixed to six-cylinder engines in BMW’s other cars, a strategy that could carry over to the nascent 2, although it wouldn’t surprise us if such a car arrived with four-cylinders among the powertrain options. (BMW hasn’t stuck to a straight badge-to-displacement naming strategy for some time.) Either way, our sources tell us that the car is likely to be rear-wheel drive. All of this also puts BMW’s June trademark application for “M2″ in some very exciting context.

How does this square with the current 1-series? In mid-2011, the current 1-series hatchbacks will get a heavy face lift. It’s possible that, starting then, coupes on that RWD platform will adopt 2-series badging. More probable, though, is that once the 1-series switches to a front-wheel-drive platform—a change widely expected to take place around 2015—BMW would launch the 2-series as its entry-level rear-driver. Our guess is that the 2-series would be a two-door coupe/convertible only, at least in our market.


Baby Bimmers (Yes, Plural) on the Way


But we’re not done yet. Beneath that front-drive 1-series, BMW is planning two more models. Smallest in size will be the all-electric Megacity—which, as you might have guessed, is a city car (although it’s said to be bigger than a Mini). A more conventional entry below the 1-series is on the way, too: a Ford Fiesta–sized front-wheel-driver. That vehicle and the 1-series are likely candidates to offer a new gasoline-electric hybrid powertrain, which BMW recently announced will be jointly developed with Peugeot-Citroën. The companies already collaborated on gas four-cylinders for front-wheel-drive applications (it’s in the Mini Cooper), and this new hybrid system likely will leverage the next generation of that family.

As usual, this influx of information answers some questions about BMW’s plans but raises more: Will Saab utilize one of the front-wheel-drive platforms for its upcoming small car? Will the Swedish company (and BMW’s own Mini) have access to the hybrid technology? And most important of all, if the M2 ever emerges, it’ll have a stick, right?

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Old 10-22-2010, 08:51 AM   #2
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Wow, a FWD 1 series.. where is REX8... are you okay buddy?
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Old 10-22-2010, 08:59 AM   #3
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BMW needs to fix that POS N54/N55 hpfp before taking more numeric codes from zero to ten as their new models...
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:55 AM   #4
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Will it still weigh as much as a 3 series?
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Old 10-23-2010, 01:05 PM   #5
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Will it still weigh as much as a 3 series?
Or a 1-Series cabrio?
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Old 10-23-2010, 01:48 PM   #6
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Yawn. I'm sure it's going to be as exciting to enthusiasts as the 1er turned out to be.

We have to come to grips with reality that, no major auto maker, and especially not a "luxury" one, will build a bare-bones performance car for the masses. Just not going to happen.

Bangle did a lot for the BMW, and his time saw the brand moving unquestionably from a performance-premium brand to a fully mainstream luxury brand. As much as I disliked most of his designs, you can't argue with the sales numbers. Look at the new Z4, which is essentially a cruiser, and the new 5 series, which is now based on the 7 series and more boring and more luxurious than ever. Even the next 3 series seems to be focusing on the interior space and fuel efficiency. IF they do make the 2-series, it's just going to be a smaller version of the 3 series.
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Old 10-23-2010, 05:12 PM   #7
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No, that's not exciting.

What would be exciting is if BMW stopped making turds like the 5-series GT and the X6 and decided to go back to making interesting cars.

The new 5-series is a disgrace. Aside from the front, the side and rear look more like an evolution of the Mercedes E-Class line than anything else.
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:06 AM   #8
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let's face it folks. The main stream does not care about "driving" anymore, they care about getting from point A to B in a most fashionable and comfortable way.

The good cars are long gone, we'll be left with our 20 year old subaru's, bimmers, Evo's, miatas, RX7s, etc while the rest of the world motors along...

Raw driving pleasure is no longer desired. Sadly...
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Old 10-24-2010, 03:11 AM   #9
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let's face it folks. The main stream does not care about "driving" anymore, they care about getting from point A to B in a most fashionable and comfortable way.

The good cars are long gone, we'll be left with our 20 year old subaru's, bimmers, Evo's, miatas, RX7s, etc while the rest of the world motors along...

Raw driving pleasure is no longer desired. Sadly...
I'm sure the carburetor geezers were saying the same thing 20 years ago.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:07 AM   #10
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They were right, they were just 20 years off. I agree with rallymaniac: an increased desire to be "green"(that's so painful to type), be fashionable, comfortable and drive a status symbol coupled with tightening emissions, safety and electronic nannies is the doom of the sports car. Only the super rich will be able to afford them before too long. The poor mans sports car days are numbered. Ford is the last company holding on in my eyes, we'll see how long they last.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:49 PM   #11
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I'm pretty sure BMW already makes this car.

Only it's AWD and called Countryman.
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:23 PM   #12
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BMW really needs to stop. Their lineup is bloated and full of overlap... think pre-bankruptcy GM. This is not going to end well for them.
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:17 PM   #13
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Oh good; even more BMWs. There must be 200 BMWs in the lot of my office park right now--3s, 5s, 7s, Ms, and a few 6s. Nothing says "my tweets are important" like buying the same car as your co-workers. Apparently many, many people want to drive basically the same car and pay dearly for the privilege of fitting in. To be able to see aptly-named 2s in the mix as well would just add to the lack of excitement fostered by the sight of a BMW.
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Old 10-27-2010, 08:06 AM   #14
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BMW has already confirmed that it’s working on a new front-wheel drive model to slot in below its current 1-Series and compete with the likes of the Audi A1 and next-generation Mercedes-Benz A-Class. But BMW has a problem on its hands: if it continues its current naming convention the new model would have to be called the 0-Series, something that’s unlikely to occur.

Instead, BMW may rebadge the successor of the current 1-Series a 2-Series, freeing up the 1-Series badge for the new front-wheel drive model. Of course, this is only conjecture but there are some vital clues that strongly suggest such a possibility.

Just this month BMW filed U.S. trademark applications for 228, 230, and 235--the same engine designations as the current 1-Series range. And to add further fuel to the speculation fire, back in June BMW also trademarked the M2 moniker, according to Car and Driver.

The change could come as early as the middle of next year when the current 1-Series Coupe and Convertible are expected to undergo a heavy facelift. Further down the track there could even by hybrid variants of BMW’s future front-wheel drive models as the automaker just this month also announced an agreement with France’s PSA Peugeot Citron group to develop new hybrid technology for front-wheel drive cars.

Pictured above is a computer-generated rendering of the next-generation BMW 1-Series Convertible, which if the rumors prove true could be called a 2-Series Convertible.

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Old 06-18-2013, 03:59 PM   #15
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BMW may not be ready to talk publicly about the 2-series yet—or even acknowledge that it’s happening—but the future coupe is proving to be one of the worst-kept automotive secrets in recent memory. So, even with a spy photographer recently exposing a production-ready M235i, official production details are nil. We’ve just found the 228i in filings that BMW sent to the EPA for the 2014 model year, and alongside, some useful (if expected) info.

According to the papers, the 228i will feature rear-wheel drive, the turbocharged 2.0-liter N20 engine from the 328i et alia, and will offer a six-speed stick or eight-speed automatic. In tandem with the six-cylinder M235i, this positions the 2-series as a true successor to the cult 1-series coupe—and not, thankfully, as a spinoff of the front-wheel-drive 1-series debuting next year. (In fact, that latter car may not even come to the U.S., BMW execs told us recently.) Figure on the 228i receiving the same 240-hp setup of the engine that’s installed in other 28i-badged Bimmers.


One formalistic observation about the filing, by the way: The document covers most of BMW’s four-cylinder lineup, and frequently lists “3-series” and “4-series” in those words. When it comes to this car, though, “228i” is used rather than “2-series.” Perhaps, optimistically, this is a signal that we’ll also see an entry-level 220i, with the same 180-hp engine setup that’s in the new 320i. Either that, or we need more ventilation in the garage.
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I'd like to see a RWD BMW with a manual transmission similar in size and weight to an E36. That seems like it might be achievable.
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^^ E46 and 135i... they made those already.

I would like to see a new BMW like the good ole E30.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:30 AM   #19
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Excellent news that the 228i can be had in RWD/6-speed/240bhp N20, that's going to be a fun car; especially with a tune.

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^^ E46 and 135i... they made those already.

I would like to see a new BMW like the good ole E30.
The 135i is close. It's shorter (in length) than the E36, but it's wider and taller so that's probably what makes it look bigger. The E36 is like 3.5 inches lower than the 135i at its roofline, it's a nice look.

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Wow, a FWD 1 series.. where is REX8... are you okay buddy?


Oh how did I miss this?
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:09 PM   #21
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Can we get the 5-door 228i? Please?
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Oh how did I miss this?
thats funny, funny looken back back on sheet
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Can we get the 5-door 228i? Please?
Wouldn't that be a 128i? I thought the even-numbered model designators were being used to represent 2-door versions of the odd-numbered model designators..
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:15 AM   #24
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Wouldn't that be a 128i? I thought the even-numbered model designators were being used to represent 2-door versions of the odd-numbered model designators..
BMW's number designations went all pear shaped.

In the 80's the 3=small, 5=midsize, 7=large

They then revived the old 3.0 CSL in the 6-series. It was more of a coupe-GT than the 2-door 3 series (I think the 2-door 3 series had more legroom than the 1980's 6 irl)

Then they killed the 6 and made the 8, using the 7 series engines (made sense).

Then they brought back the 6 (seems more 8 series sized to me) and all still kind of made sense.



Then Audi killed the A4 cabrio and made the A5 and A5 cabrio.

Audi can charge big $$$ for that car, and it's felt that part of it is the image caused by the separation in the higher number for the coupe.

So BMW has made 3=4door 4=coupe, 5=4door 6=coupe.

Ok...that's fine. Now, the 1 series is only sold here as a 2door coupe, but over there they come as 3door hatches and 5door hatches. This fit the old 3 series set up, but not the new.

However, they are doing a new FWD (mini countryman based) 1 series. The only place for the old 1 is to become the two.

So in a few years it will settle as:
1=FWD
2=small RWD
3=4door
4=coupe
5=4door
6=coupe GT
7=large sedan

Now about engine size designations..............ugh!
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It's really not that hard to figure out. And people make so much drama about model designations. Who gives a ****?
As long as there's one in there that fits the bill, there ya go.
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