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Old 10-25-2010, 12:02 AM   #1
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Default What to do.. To buy or not to buy a STI.

So a little background.
Used to own a 05 Scion xB in Black. Too slow. Added a remote mount turbo setup. Proto kit. Didn't work well. Took it off. Spun the xB in the rain into a guardrail. Bent the frame. Totaled.

So I started to look for a new car. Went and looked at the WRX vs the STI in Sept 2008. Decided I didn't really need a STI at that time. Settled on a 2009 WRX 5 Door on the lot since the one I wanted was in OH and I needed a car.

3K miles... motor blows. Infamous rod knock. Get a new motor installed. 6k miles, motor blows again. SOA gives me a new car. All the mods I did go with the car and I have to remove and reinstall stereo and exhaust and retint etc.

75 miles on the car, check engine light comes on. Take it to Russel. They have no clue, reset light. This goes on for a while til I get SOA involved again. They send out regional field tech and service manager to meet me since I had so many problems. They fix the car at Mile One. Car has been good since then.

I love my car, but I always get the why didn't you get an STI and oh I like the STI better. As I look for parts for it, I find more stuff is made for the STI first and the WRX as an afterthought. I have been watching Initial D, and realizing that in order to have a really nice track car, it has to be an STI. Sad thing is, I have not grown attached to my car. Yes it will annoy me to take off mods and re do them on a new car once again, but meh.
I feel like I am just driving this car, that it is not really mine. My xB had 90k on it in the 4 years I had it. The second WRX has 31k on it right now.

I thought about trading it in for a 2010 STI about a year ago. Dealer wanted to give me 18 for it and I owed about the same. Now I owe about 13700 and KBB is 19k - 20k.

With the introduction of the 2011 and the improvements to the suspension, I have been considering it. I really do not want a 4 door, since I use my hatch all the time. Funny thing is, on the WRX the 5dr option was $500, on the STI it is $2000. How can they say that it is an option when they have been making it that way for 2+ years.

TL;DR. Should I trade in my DGM 09 WRX 5dr for a OBP 2011 STI 5dr. Must justify answers. Don't just say yes, it is an STI.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:09 AM   #2
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I would say yes only because the look. also the 6 speed. unless you plan on swapping. But in all honesty if I could go back I would get an evo. I know a lot of people are going to rage but in my area and trips to o.c. etc... The sti is just so common and I feel the evo is a little less common. However new sti's look sick so idk...
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:14 AM   #3
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I would say go for it. I had a 2.5i and always dreamed of upgrading. I coulda setteled for a wrx for a huge price difference but I wanted the STI. So I bought it and I love it. No matter how common they are
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:44 AM   #4
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If you can afford all the $ that comes w/ the step up... go for it. However if you're just gonna lease it, then you're just throwing your money away, and you will again be driving a car that isn't really yours.

BTW 1.) I don't understand your comparison of Initial D and 2.) Don't let TiC hear you say a track car has to be an STI


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Old 10-25-2010, 06:31 AM   #5
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When you say afford all the money...My insurance already does not use lube, and when I asked them about the increase in price due to the step up.......... there was none. I never even plan on leasing because leasing a car and modding it is like....... (it's too early for me to think of bad jokes)

I just mentioned Initial D because of the slip vs grip and having a nice suspension setup and the ability to control the center diff with the DCCD.

I won't tell Clint.. besides.. who knew a Hyundai could be a track car.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:55 AM   #6
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What do you want to do to the car with respect to mods and how much power do you want to make? Do you plan to do that much track time that you need to spend the extra money for the sti? For the difference in price you should be able to upgrade your WRX to a level that will make you happy. This is a tough one since what works for me may not for you.

While the 6 spd > 5 spd, the new 6 spd < the older 6 spd (no oil pump).

My 02 WRX has full suspension mods to it and handles waaaay better than my 04 STI with swaybars (food for thought).
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:34 AM   #7
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I think you should buy a civic si or a vw gti.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:23 PM   #8
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I am/was in the same situation recently. I have a '09 sedan and also have the feeling like it should have been an STI. Probably would have been if they had an STI sedan in 2009 but whatever. For me, it came down to $$$ although my car is paid off. The trade-in the dealers offered me was **** for my car that is flawless with only 6,000 miles (still has the new car smell). Once that was established, I started thinking logically and axed the idea altogether although I still lurk, e.g. had to scope out the STI at Herb Gordon over the weekend.

If I were you, I'd crunch the numbers to see if you really want the car. Look at the interest rate they'll charge, how much you'll pay in interest, additional modding costs (...often significant in my case), etc. Have you taken an STI for a test drive? How much time have you spent in one? And like gagliano said above, the final decision will also come down to your goals for the car.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:42 PM   #9
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I think you should keep listening to Initial D and buy an 86. Leave the STIs to us Buntas.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:18 PM   #10
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I think you should buy a Miata and keep your WRX for plebian activities.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:43 PM   #11
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I was in a similiar situation a few years ago.

Unless you need a NEW car do not get a STI. It's honestly not much of a difference performance wise on a day to day basis. The 09's have really closed that gap.

Take whatever money you were going to put into the STI and buy a second fun weekend car. Something older that's cheap to insure and mods/parts are easy to find.

I went from a 06 WRX to a 07 STI...should have kept the WRX and just paid it off.

99% of the time we arent using the wrx's full performance on the street. There's simple no need to replace something if it's not broke.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:47 PM   #12
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I was in a similiar situation a few years ago.

Unless you need a NEW car do not get a STI. It's honestly not much of a difference performance wise on a day to day basis. The 09's have really closed that gap.

Take whatever money you were going to put into the STI and buy a second fun weekend car. Something older that's cheap to insure and mods/parts are easy to find.

I went from a 06 WRX to a 07 STI...should have kept the WRX and just paid it off.

99% of the time we arent using the wrx's full performance on the street. There's simple no need to replace something if it's not broke.
While I agree with most of what you said, the only performance gap Subaru closed is the HP number. You still don't get Brembos or a 6 spd; plus the WRX has open diffs all around. For the price difference you do get a lot of stuff.

But it still comes down to the personal decision, is it worth it?
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:50 PM   #13
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I was in a similiar situation a few years ago.

Unless you need a NEW car do not get a STI. It's honestly not much of a difference performance wise on a day to day basis. The 09's have really closed that gap.

Take whatever money you were going to put into the STI and buy a second fun weekend car. Something older that's cheap to insure and mods/parts are easy to find.

I went from a 06 WRX to a 07 STI...should have kept the WRX and just paid it off.

99% of the time we arent using the wrx's full performance on the street. There's simple no need to replace something if it's not broke.
I think the OP is looking for more of the status boost than the performance boost.
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:20 PM   #14
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get an evo...seems like everyone and their momma bought an STI in the past 2 years. I went from rarely seeing any to seeing a lot within the past 2 years. I guess because they are getting cheaper?

lol i kind of want an evo 8 or 9 just because they're rare around here..but i love my sti ugh.
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:53 PM   #15
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I think you should keep listening to Initial D and buy an 86. Leave the STIs to us Buntas.
God, if I could get Bunta's STI... I'd be set!!!
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:39 PM   #16
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Currently it has Front and Rear RCE Sways on it. I want to put in things like fog lights and I am wishing I got the Premium for the winter package. The diff is one thing that bugs me and I think well I could convert everything to an STI... then logic smacks me and goes this is not an 02 bug eye. What disappoints me is things like the suspension and braking systems. They have to be upgraded a decent amount to get to STI stock levels. The power levels of a OTS stage 2 Accessport on a WRX vs an STI are big also. The wider stance would give it better handling also.

I personally love my 5 door and plan to stick with a 5 door. Hell I can cram a ****aki ton of stuff in there. It just seems like I would have to spend a decent amount on parts for the WRX to get up to STI level and even then, there are not a lot of parts for it. More parts are made for the STI that means more pre owned parts too.
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Sounds like you've already made a decision.
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Old 10-25-2010, 07:39 PM   #18
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i havent been on nasioc in months... just signed in recently figure out the market for 05 STIs. im checking out of subies for a while.
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Old 10-25-2010, 08:04 PM   #19
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:35 PM   #20
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I would like to test drive one. But all the dealers only have like 1 on hand. I don't want to waste their time. I tried selling cars once. It sucked.
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You will like having a paid-off car sooner and still excellent performance vs taking another hit on a trade-in. Of course I'm not your financial adviser, but consider with the better-performing car, 80-90% of the time you don't completely take advantage of the performance gains of it over the WRX anyways, it doesn't seem worth the added costs.

I've found that a healthy balance between performance and cost of car makes for the happiest driver, versus just getting the best performing car with a large and long lasting loan.

I'd keep the WRX, once it's paid off, perhaps look at an STI. See how much you enjoy living loan-free. You'd be surprised how much more you like your WRX then!

Just my .02, from experience!
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:38 AM   #22
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While I agree with most of what you said, the only performance gap Subaru closed is the HP number. You still don't get Brembos or a 6 spd; plus the WRX has open diffs all around. For the price difference you do get a lot of stuff.

But it still comes down to the personal decision, is it worth it?
There is no doubt still a performance advantage to the STI.

Having owned both the majority will never drive to the point of knowing the difference.

Both are very quick and capable street cars.

Go with the one that is mostly paid off and keep it.

Been there done that.

I can see the status boost.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:54 PM   #23
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Status boost?

Owning a car is more about a personal preference to me. It's like people who buy a 1990 Mercedes. It's a POS but to them, they are driving a Benz.

The is it worth it, is something I struggle over. That was the thought I had when I purchased the WRX, but I also bought the one off the dealer lot they did not even know they have because I could not get what I really wanted. When I still had my xB, my plan was to pay it off (had $3500 left when I wrecked it) and buy an STI or Evo.

Even if I do decide to do this, I wouldn't do it until probably March, when there would be more in stock, prices would drop and I could order one the way I wanted it.
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Old 10-26-2010, 11:25 PM   #24
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Now I owe about 13700 and KBB is 19k - 20k.
Do you really think you'll get 19K for an 09 WRX that cost 24Kish new?

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The diff is one thing that bugs me and I think well I could convert everything to an STI... then logic smacks me and goes this is not an 02 bug eye. What disappoints me is things like the suspension and braking systems. They have to be upgraded a decent amount to get to STI stock levels. The power levels of a OTS stage 2 Accessport on a WRX vs an STI are big also. The wider stance would give it better handling also.
Brake pads are cheap. Summer tires + good pads = stop as well or better than a stock STi. And you're going to want good tires anyway. So really it's just the cost of the pads.

The Brembos look cool but other than making replacement rotors really expensive they don't do a damned thing for you on the street. A while back Gary Sheehan was running a bugeye in the NASA Touring classes - yes, real wheel to wheel racing with actual prize money - on the STOCK 02 WRX brakes. Teeny ugly calipers with teeny rotors. And he was freaking racing, not "driving in the twisties" or any of that noise.

And newsflash, the stock STi suspension is nothing to write home about. (I should know, there's one in my driveway...) You'd have to upgrade either car to really make a difference in handling.

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I personally love my 5 door and plan to stick with a 5 door. Hell I can cram a ****aki ton of stuff in there. It just seems like I would have to spend a decent amount on parts for the WRX to get up to STI level and even then, there are not a lot of parts for it. More parts are made for the STI that means more pre owned parts too.
"more parts are made for the STI" - huh? Like what?

The cliff notes version is:
Is it a track car?
No: OK, fine, save yourself $8K and don't miss the expensive brakes, extra shift and fancy diffs.
Yes: Probably worth the upgrade, but don't kid yourself that you won't need to upgrade the suspension, brakes, tires, etc etc. Look at mav1c's (DEDICATED CAGED) track car. He has replaced all of that stuff.

You want a fun car for tofu runs and track events that will also be violently cheap and teach you a lot more about driving? Buy a Miata.
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You want a fun car for tofu runs and track events that will also be violently cheap and teach you a lot more about driving? Buy a Miata.
That just made my night.

Oh, and somewhat on topic, my $0.02 is pay off your current car and get a real track vehicle ... bonus points if it only has two wheels.
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