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Old 08-28-2012, 12:35 PM   #2801
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They threw a probe on during tuning for the temps, its not part of my driving setup. It was 100+ in the shop that day, even with 4 fans blowing on the motor, we just couldn't get it cool. Even let it set for 30 min, heat soak just got worse. That's when we pulled the plot above; the best was about 10 ft-lbs better but we didn't save it.

Boost was tuned to 20.5, though I've edged my MBCS up a little from there so it's around 21/21.5 now. I tried pretty hard to have it come on early as possible, full "boost" by 3.6k under even crappy conditions, but obviously the torque doesn't really hit till later.

What are you using to pull your street dyno numbers? Looks like the AP does it, doesn't seem reliable tho.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:01 PM   #2802
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They threw a probe on during tuning for the temps, its not part of my driving setup. It was 100+ in the shop that day, even with 4 fans blowing on the motor, we just couldn't get it cool. Even let it set for 30 min, heat soak just got worse. That's when we pulled the plot above; the best was about 10 ft-lbs better but we didn't save it.

Boost was tuned to 20.5, though I've edged my MBCS up a little from there so it's around 21/21.5 now. I tried pretty hard to have it come on early as possible, full "boost" by 3.6k under even crappy conditions, but obviously the torque doesn't really hit till later.

What are you using to pull your street dyno numbers? Looks like the AP does it, doesn't seem reliable tho.
I see 20psi by around 3,750rpm's but I don't see peak boost until around 4,500rpm's. The higher you push it the later it will be (basically a linear ramp).

The AP's peak numbers are pretty useless. I use Virtual Dyno for the road dyno plots. It seems to be pretty spot on with the Dynojet I've been on. You need to find a good road to do a log and then load it into the software.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2389720
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:15 PM   #2803
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I don't feel those are realistic numbers, especially considering the fact that you have an external wastegate with dump pipe. I could see a 5-10 whp loss but saying you lost 60 WHP is bull****, imo.
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Yah no problem. Keep believing the bull**** that you spout. Such as making more power than your turbo is rated for.
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The rated crank horsepower for your turbo is 440HP. You should sign up for a vendor account here to sell the bull**** that comes from your mouth.
Haha. I just realized this troll is the same guy who created this "hilarious" build thread

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2398102

I hope he keeps going. It looks like he'll fit right in around here...
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:16 PM   #2804
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Zomg bro sick build u so funnay fullhomoiloveyou dude your beer mod is ill



He's not even funny.

It's not even a build thread.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:24 PM   #2805
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Zomg bro sick build u so funnay fullhomoiloveyou dude your beer mod is ill



He's not even funny.

It's not even a build thread.
It's a little bit entertaining, but it seems like that's what everyone on NASIOC is doing these days to try and make fun of others or to get a rise out of people.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:26 PM   #2806
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I see 20psi by around 3,750rpm's but I don't see peak boost until around 4,500rpm's.
That's your FMIC and built block talking. ::
I'm a little jealous of the latter.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:32 PM   #2807
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That's your FMIC and built block talking. ::
I'm a little jealous of the latter.
I ran it down at similar boost to you until the block went. I was on E85 though (maybe you are?). It was quick, but cranking up the boost really made the torque go through the roof. Sometimes I'm curious to see how the response would be with a TMIC, but I am guess it would hurt my performance overall.
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:31 PM   #2808
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^seems to be the theory at your power levels. I figured that mid 300s would be plenty top end and was trying to pull those numbers to the left; so I went the with Process West TMIC.

I can't get E85 in my hood, or I'd have stuck with the VF.

I'm a Mac... VD is a PC thing (hehe... pun).
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:37 PM   #2809
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^seems to be the theory at your power levels. I figured that mid 300s would be plenty top end and was trying to pull those numbers to the left; so I went the with Process West TMIC.

I can't get E85 in my hood, or I'd have stuck with the VF.

I'm a Mac... VD is a PC thing (hehe... pun).
Once in a while I'm tempted to buy a PW to see what it would do, but curiosity isn't worth $1000 when I'm pretty sure it would hurt power. The VF on E85 was an awesome setup. Perfect for most people. Spools like stock (even seems faster sometimes) and has plenty of power. Here's a little graph I made on that topic:



I don't have it on the plot, but the 20G XTR (or similarly sized turbo) running 20-22psi on pump gas wouldn't compare very favorably to the VF on E85. It would probably have a little more top end (but could even be about the same), but it would spool a heck of a lot slower (for the small increase in power).

If you want to send me logs, I would be happy to run VD for you. I'll send you a PM
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Old 08-28-2012, 05:04 PM   #2810
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Once in a while I'm tempted to buy a PW to see what it would do, but curiosity isn't worth $1000 when I'm pretty sure it would hurt power. The VF on E85 was an awesome setup. Perfect for most people. Spools like stock (even seems faster sometimes) and has plenty of power. Here's a little graph I made on that topic:

I don't have it on the plot, but the 20G XTR (or similarly sized turbo) running 20-22psi on pump gas wouldn't compare very favorably to the VF on E85. It would probably have a little more top end (but could even be about the same), but it would spool a heck of a lot slower (for the small increase in power).

If you want to send me logs, I would be happy to run VD for you. I'll send you a PM
If you lived by me I'd let you buy it then do your testing and then buy it from you if you didn't want it as that's what I plan on going to.
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Old 08-28-2012, 08:18 PM   #2811
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Well you could ship it to me, and then I'll send it on to you
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:14 PM   #2812
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Once in a while I'm tempted to buy a PW to see what it would do, but curiosity isn't worth $1000 when I'm pretty sure it would hurt power. The VF on E85 was an awesome setup. Perfect for most people. Spools like stock (even seems faster sometimes) and has plenty of power. Here's a little graph I made on that topic:

I don't have it on the plot, but the 20G XTR (or similarly sized turbo) running 20-22psi on pump gas wouldn't compare very favorably to the VF on E85. It would probably have a little more top end (but could even be about the same), but it would spool a heck of a lot slower (for the small increase in power).

If you want to send me logs, I would be happy to run VD for you. I'll send you a PM
Thats a nice accurate graph, on my e85 set up i made slightly more 360/410 with the addition of Tomei headers. Good info.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:17 PM   #2813
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You just need a pump gas 20G in there now
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:26 PM   #2814
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You just need a pump gas 20G in there now
Actually only need some pistons.. Shhhhh
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:41 PM   #2815
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You just need a pump gas 20G in there now
If you meant the plot, here is my best guess of what that would look like:



It is my VF52 E85 graph compared to an "estimated" 20G XTR on pump gas. I estimated it by using one of my lower boost 20G XTR plots and changing the delta weight to 0lbs to simulate a pump gas tune.

May not be perfectly accurate, but I think it shows kind of what to expect. Pretty big hit in spool for similar peak torque, but a decent bump in top end.

It's a tough choice, but if you have E85 available, I would go for the VF52 on E85. Spool vs. power is great with that combo.
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:36 PM   #2816
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I am E85 just need to buy a process west top mount (cant push the car more because the wrx top mount blows) but I started a second business so money is tight right now

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Old 08-29-2012, 11:31 AM   #2817
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Here's a fun plot I made of all the changes I've made to my car:



It's nice to be able to see it all laid out like that!
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:46 AM   #2818
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it looks like a sideways map of a ski resort.

I think I would rather have power delivered like that than that surge and fall off you get with the stock turbo
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:54 AM   #2819
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The ethanol plant in windsor here temporarily shut down =\ prices are going up up and away
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Old 09-02-2012, 11:51 AM   #2820
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I have always see your thread and looked at all the pics and the mod list, But never really took the time to really look at all you put into the car. Amazing work and great looking wrx. Just impressive. Congrats
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:05 PM   #2821
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The ethanol plant in windsor here temporarily shut down =\ prices are going up up and away
They have gone up close to .60 in the last 3 weeks here in miami. Yikes
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:53 PM   #2822
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They have gone up close to .60 in the last 3 weeks here in miami. Yikes
I heard on on MN shut down temporarily too. Prices haven't jumped up too much yet though. I'll be on E85 as long as it's still available!

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I have always see your thread and looked at all the pics and the mod list, But never really took the time to really look at all you put into the car. Amazing work and great looking wrx. Just impressive. Congrats
Thanks! There's been a lot of time spent in the garage, but probably nearly as much taking photo's and posting info online!
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Old 09-02-2012, 04:19 PM   #2823
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A couple more from tonight:



This one was made from blending 10 photos with the circular polarizer rotated slightly for each one, in order to minimize reflections as much as possible. I really like how it turned out!

Have you ever looked at doing the sport mesh grill? Just curious.
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:03 PM   #2824
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I never really looked into it. I haven't made it a point to change how the car looks.
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:37 PM   #2825
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I hope this hasn't been asked to much, but what front lip spoiler is that? Thanks
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