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Old 09-27-2012, 07:53 AM   #3176
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Seems like under load they sound much more similar (or maybe that's the EWG I'm hearing). I mainly hear the difference at idle, stock has more of a base note and more grumbly. But the equal length does sound quieter at idle, which for you is good, and you've got more power, so win-win. And thanks for all the videos, they're incredibly educational.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:26 AM   #3177
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Ben you did a great job with this video, thanks for sharing. I am for sure having Fobia do ELH for me now.
I didn't think you'd like the sound. EL headers do seem like a good upgrade, especially now that I've experienced them.

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I still some hear Subaru in there... I think our valve timing still adds it's own tone as much as anything else. Change that and you'd truly remove any of the "boxer" tone.


Also... with respect to the wrap- if you both started with the same roll and used the whole thing; yours is better insulated (if your wrap style is truly less surface area, depends on pipe separation). Means yours has more overlap + is a bit thicker as a result.
That is what I was thinking. But due to the amount of separation, I think there is probably equal overlap between the two wrapping methods. Mine actually has a lot of overlap on the bends going up to the heads, but not much in the straight section.

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Seems like under load they sound much more similar (or maybe that's the EWG I'm hearing). I mainly hear the difference at idle, stock has more of a base note and more grumbly. But the equal length does sound quieter at idle, which for you is good, and you've got more power, so win-win. And thanks for all the videos, they're incredibly educational.
It is different at all rev ranges. Under light load (around town) you can hear it pretty clearly as well. The EWG sounds a little different, but I think it's harder to hear the difference once that opens.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:56 AM   #3178
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I didn't think you'd like the sound. EL headers do seem like a good upgrade, especially now that I've experienced them..
I am happy you got ELH, it makes my choice a lot easier. I wasn't sold until I heard the video. Great job dude.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:02 AM   #3179
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your car makes me feel like my gains were worthless...

i need to step my game up. good lord your car is sick.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:53 AM   #3180
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your car makes me feel like my gains were worthless...

i need to step my game up. good lord your car is sick.
LOL. I'm sure your car is fun too
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:46 PM   #3181
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LOL. I'm sure your car is fun too
yeah.. and his EWG is ungodly loud! but freakin awesome.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:35 PM   #3182
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EWG's scare me. first subie i heard with one was WOT next to me with my windows down.. I almost pee'd myself.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:47 PM   #3183
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My first turbo car was a 91 CRX with a B18 and an open Turbonetics Deltagate waste gate (Back in 1996). To me, that is how a turbo car is supposed to sound and I love the waste gate noise. Also, these motors running EL headers don't sound anything like Hondas to me. To me they sound like old Porsche 4 cyl boxer motors, plus the turbo of course.

Great sound clips Ben!

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Old 09-27-2012, 08:18 PM   #3184
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i could see a comparison to how k series hondas sound but they certainly don't sound like b or d series hondas
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:26 PM   #3185
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I don't know what the big deal is anyway. EL headers or UL headers...it doesn't matter. It is just a WRX anyway. STI's are faster.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:58 PM   #3186
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I don't know what the big deal is anyway. EL headers or UL headers...it doesn't matter. It is just a WRX anyway. STI's are faster.
That's it, I'm selling my WRX and getting a Prius to build up.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:46 AM   #3187
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I don't know what the big deal is anyway. EL headers or UL headers...it doesn't matter. It is just a WRX anyway. STI's are faster.
This guy lol!
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:18 AM   #3188
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I don't know what the big deal is anyway. EL headers or UL headers...it doesn't matter. It is just a WRX anyway. STI's are faster.
Oh man he SO went there.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:15 PM   #3189
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^^hahah
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:32 PM   #3190
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It is so true. Everyone knows it.
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:24 PM   #3191
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Bought some ELH because of your car, cant wait to get them on
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:50 PM   #3192
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Bought some ELH because of your car, cant wait to get them on
Wow. Cool. Hope you like them!
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:08 PM   #3193
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Young Ben:

WOO VTEC!!!!!!

Ben w/ WRX Day 1:

I don't think I want to go past stage 2 AT THE MOST.

Ben 2 years later:

500whp and 500ft-lb of torque....I'm already in this deep, eff it, I need more power.
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:58 PM   #3194
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Young Ben:

WOO VTEC!!!!!!

Ben w/ WRX Day 1:

I don't think I want to go past stage 2 AT THE MOST.

Ben 2 years later:

500whp and 500ft-lb of torque....I'm already in this deep, eff it, I need more power.
Haha, this is perfect. Except WRX Day 1 the plan was to keep it STOCK. Nothing done to it.
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Old 09-28-2012, 03:08 PM   #3195
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Haha, this is perfect. Except WRX Day 1 the plan was to keep it STOCK. Nothing done to it.
That's is what they all say lol
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:22 PM   #3196
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I figured custom surge tank and normal rail prices. I didn't really price out the lines. Just guessed. This is certainly a big hurdle for more power. Did you try a FPR or Boost a Pump with your oldsetup? It seems those paired with an in tank pump like a Walbro can support quote a bit over 500WHP.
Didn't see this until now somehow, but yes, I run on the Aeromotive FPR, and we talked about Boost a Pump, but when it came down to it, decided to just leave very little room for error and as much room for power growth as possible. Even though the dual pump/surge setup is more expensive than boost a pump or dual hangers etc, it leaves the most amount of flexibility.

By the way the car sounds great I was meaning to get around and tell you that! Great videos for the new EL setup.
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:02 AM   #3197
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That's is what they all say lol
Yeah, too bad that didn't work out...

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Didn't see this until now somehow, but yes, I run on the Aeromotive FPR, and we talked about Boost a Pump, but when it came down to it, decided to just leave very little room for error and as much room for power growth as possible. Even though the dual pump/surge setup is more expensive than boost a pump or dual hangers etc, it leaves the most amount of flexibility.

By the way the car sounds great I was meaning to get around and tell you that! Great videos for the new EL setup.
I just don't see myself ever going for that type of fuel setup. I guess that limits me to close to the power I have now Maybe that's a good thing.
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:29 AM   #3198
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Have u tuned since the el header if so what are numbers now?
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:19 PM   #3199
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Have u tuned since the el header if so what are numbers now?
Sorry, forgot to update. I got tuned the other night, and the EL header did squeeze out some more power.



The real difference (as confirmed by the butt dyno) is the quicker spool and much better response. It is around 300rpm's sooner to 20psi (ie. at 3,600rpm's the EL header is at 20psi and the stock header was only at 13psi), and that is a noticeable difference on the street. The translates into a much broader powerband. The low/mid range torque is a huge difference. Between 3,200rpm's and 4,200rpm's it has 50 to 70 ft-lbs of torque more than the stock header! Past peak torque the difference is around 20 ft-lbs and that holds until redline.

Looking at the boost curve it is interesting to see that peak boost and boost all the way to redline was slightly lower than before, but the car is making more power! This is very similar to what TopSpeed saw with their testing. The tuning that was done to my car was to flatten the AFR's back out and added a very small amount of timing. Overall the car feels great with the new header. The end results is that the 50-100mph time is quicker using only 3rd gear than it is using 2nd and 3rd gear! The powerband is that wide!

*Note: The baseline for this comparison was a recent log with the Greddy Ti-C exhaust and stock header. The numbers are slightly lower than what I have posted in my Greddy Ti-C review because I updated Virtual Dyno to use the correct 3rd gear ratio for my PAR gears (slightly shorter ratio, 1.31 vs 1.296), and this lowered the power figures slightly. The actual peak numbers are just numbers, but the shape of the curves and the differences between the two are what tell the story.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:25 PM   #3200
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The 50-100mph time for a 3rd gear pull went from 4.6-4.7 seconds with the stock header, down to about 4.3 seconds with the EL header. This is due to the turbo spooling up sooner and being in a stronger part of the powerband by the time it reaches 50mph.

Invidia Equal Length Header (~4.3 seconds):


Stock Header (4.6-4.7 seconds):

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