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Old 10-15-2012, 11:38 PM   #3401
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Pulling the tranny only takes a couple hours. Jack stands, tranny jack, and my brother helping. I just pop the axles out of the tranny and then drop it. Getting it back in can be more of a pain. Took us around 4 hours this time, but ideally it could probably be done in 2.5 or 3 hours, maybe even less. I do not assemble the gears into the case myself. I have a local tranny builder do that for me.
This^ the tranny is actually pretty easy to remove with a trans cradle. Have you decided on any gear oil yet?
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:53 PM   #3402
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This^ the tranny is actually pretty easy to remove with a trans cradle. Have you decided on any gear oil yet?
The first time we did it with just a floor jack, and balancing it on there was a bit "challenging". I borrowed a transmission jack from my (other) brother and it helps a ton. It is something similar to this:



For gear oil I'm going with Neo Synthetic. It's a pain to get a hold of, but that's what PAR recommends, so I figure it is probably worth the effort to obtain.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:00 AM   #3403
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That's crazy man. I thought it was much more involved than that. someone was telling me the weakest point of the 5spd was the case. Supposedly the case starts separating at high horsepower and it causes the teeth on the gears to not fully interlock which makes them strip out. Is that total BS? I'm sure their is info about this online but I was curious able what you heard so far.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:03 AM   #3404
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That's crazy man. I thought it was much more involved than that. someone was telling me the weakest point of the 5spd was the case. Supposedly the case starts separating at high horsepower and it causes the teeth on the gears to not fully interlock which makes them strip out. Is that total BS? I'm sure their is info about this online but I was curious able what you heard so far.
There are varying opinions on this, but I don't buy it. I've researched this both times my tranny was out, I and just haven't found anything that has convinced me to spend money on reinforcement for my tranny.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:10 AM   #3405
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There are varying opinions on this, but I don't buy it. I've researched this both times my tranny was out, I and just haven't found anything that has convinced me to spend money on reinforcement for my tranny.
It's just due to case flex, but you will need to be at higher hp than you are I believe. It's a mod you can buy that can't hurt. Moore performance makes some.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:18 AM   #3406
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That's exactly what I don't buy into. I don't think they've done any extensive testing on anything with much more torque than my car. They definitely haven't done any testing to show that the case actually flexes (vs the shaft flexing, case twisting, or simply gears failing, etc) or to show that their plates reduce the flex.

It's really just the most simple solution to a hypothesised theory on failure mode. If they were under $100 I might have gotten them just to throw on. They're not going to hurt anything but I really doubt they'll help and a few hundred dollars is a bit much to throw away.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:29 AM   #3407
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The reason I asked is because looking at your pictures I can't figure out how it is due to the case either. Someday I will have to drop my tranny to change out the clutch I'm glad to hear it isn't too bad of a job.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:37 AM   #3408
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To change the clutch you only have to separate the tranny from the motor a few inches. You don't actually have to drop it unless you really want to.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:46 AM   #3409
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Do you have to disconnect the axles to get it to move back far enough?
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:49 AM   #3410
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I think most people do but you don't absolutely have to. You can pull it back a few inches with the axles still installed. It makes the work a little tight but saves a lot of time.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:22 AM   #3411
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I think most people do but you don't absolutely have to. You can pull it back a few inches with the axles still installed. It makes the work a little tight but saves a lot of time.
Mmm shortcuts, it's how we make money in the automotive industry. Having techs that know how to cut the right corners and still have the factory service outcome. Like injectors on a WRX pays 6 hours in all data and tells you to take the top half of the motor apart (intake manifold ect).

I agree with you that I would love to see proof that case flexing occurs but I do agree it happens due to the fact that the motor has case flex at high hp/tq levels near the crank and the way it is constructed compared to the 6MT. Now someone just needs to show it. I wonder if stiffer mounts help reduce flex or increase it.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:22 AM   #3412
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Thanks for the info. I am only stage 2 but would really like to upgrade my pressure plate to the act. I feel that it could use just a little more clamping force. I think my next mods are grimmspeed ebcs and protune.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:26 AM   #3413
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Thanks for the info. I am only stage 2 but would really like to upgrade my pressure plate to the act. I feel that it could use just a little more clamping force. I think my next mods are grimmspeed ebcs and protune.
Save and go injectors, pump, Grimm ebcs, TMIC or FMIC (look up pros and cons of each and decide what's good for you), BPV, then protune (gas & E85). You will be near max of what I would do with the stock engine power wise IMHO then you pay for the tune once instead of multiple times. BTW my TMIC blew the side tank off at 20 psi.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:15 AM   #3414
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Yeah tmic's are so expensive otherwise that would be my next mod. I have a friend that is a tuner so getting retuned down the line won't be costly. Thinking of doing the bulletproof mod on the stock tmic for now maybe but I still don't want to boost over 18 or so. I appreciate the info
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:09 AM   #3415
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OK, looks like JDUB is fielding the questions now.

Anyways, I've noticed that the mounts have made the car very loud during start up/cranking. It is almost like you're outside of the car with your head in the engine bay. It really transmits a lot of noise into the cabin. Overall the new mounts are not approved by my wife. She does not like them at all. She noticed the difference immediately when I turned the car on. Hopefully she gets used to it...
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:19 AM   #3416
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Ouch, sounds like it vibrates like hell.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:27 AM   #3417
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Hmmm now I'm scared to put mine in... But I have no wife to be concerned about lol

Sorry about fielding questions seeing as it is your thread
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:02 AM   #3418
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It really does make for a lot more vibration. I think the tranny mount may have a lot to do with it. If you're doing just motor mounts it may not be as bad. Personally, I don't think it's too horrible. I can definitely live with it, but I can understand where she's coming from. It's definitely not quiet.

It's a combination of the gears, mounts and exhaust that makes the car pretty loud. It seems much more "race car"-like with the hard mounts. You can really hear/feel a lot more that's going on. With the mounts and the gears it's pretty much loud enough so you don't really hear the exhaust much at all in gears 1 thru 3.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:05 PM   #3419
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It really does make for a lot more vibration. I think the tranny mount may have a lot to do with it. If you're doing just motor mounts it may not be as bad. Personally, I don't think it's too horrible. I can definitely live with it, but I can understand where she's coming from. It's definitely not quiet.

It's a combination of the gears, mounts and exhaust that makes the car pretty loud. It seems much more "race car"-like with the hard mounts. You can really hear/feel a lot more that's going on. With the mounts and the gears it's pretty much loud enough so you don't really hear the exhaust much at all in gears 1 thru 3.
Well it seems you have had a paradigm shift with the loudness of the car, have you taken ure kid out yet? Also I must of missed the new gear set up from PAR, can u sum up what you did or point me to the page please. My 3rd gear is on the fritz so I may need an upgrade soon.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:31 PM   #3420
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Well it seems you have had a paradigm shift with the loudness of the car, have you taken ure kid out yet? Also I must of missed the new gear set up from PAR, can u sum up what you did or point me to the page please. My 3rd gear is on the fritz so I may need an upgrade soon.
I really don't want it to be loud. I can't say I particularly like the new mounts from a daily driver standpoint, but from a performance/feel standpoint they seem great. I sometimes consider putting the stock exhaust back on for the winter. I wouldn't mind it being quieter when I'm not really going to be driving it hard anyways. I have had the baby in the car and she doesn't really seem to mind it much.

Here's a link to the gearset info:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9#post37562749

And the more recent info:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9#post38273249
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:10 PM   #3421
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When i had my 05 wagon i installed the dogbone. Everybody that rode in my car said it sounded like a tv sound effect when I turned on the car. lol
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:18 PM   #3422
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When i had my 05 wagon i installed the dogbone. Everybody that rode in my car said it sounded like a tv sound effect when I turned on the car. lol
Ah, it's the pitch stop causing the noise? I guess that makes sense. A TV sound effect is a good way to describe it. It doesn't even sound real, haha.
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:05 PM   #3423
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I was wondering about the pitch stop, I would like to install one, I'm going to check out a car tonight at the meet that had one installed and see if the noise and vibrations are tolerable for me.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:18 PM   #3424
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Well i just contacted andrewtech for the PAR gear set, there goes another 5k, thanks Ben.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:26 PM   #3425
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I was wondering about the pitch stop, I would like to install one, I'm going to check out a car tonight at the meet that had one installed and see if the noise and vibrations are tolerable for me.
Now I am kind of curious as to which mounts are causing which vibrations...

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Well i just contacted andrewtech for the PAR gear set, there goes another 5k, thanks Ben.
Wow. That was fast! Are they putting it in too? What's wrong with yours?
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