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Old 11-05-2012, 06:17 PM   #3601
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I am already lamenting the fact that the Greddy SP Elite isn't quite 3"...

I wish I could just forget little things like that, lol.

I wish I could have the Greddy Ti-C pipes and then be able to swap the axle back between the SP Elite and the Ti-C. It actually seems like they could have designed it like that, but chose not to. The midpipe of the Ti-C has the hanger near the diff, and the SP Elite is shorter and the hanger is on the piece further back.
i wish there was a clear answer as to how much of a power difference there is between 2.75 and 3"..probably not an issue at most of our power levels but maybe for you.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:28 PM   #3602
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Mine doesn't. Even on both sides. It is much quieter than my SPT setup was. I remember thinking that I could finally drive with the windows down again.

See...this makes me laugh. Do you know how much air you have to be moving that a 1/4" would make a sizable difference in power? If your 302whp number in your profile is still accurate...you wouldn't notice a difference between stock and a 4" straight pipe. I can tell you for certain that it doesn't make a difference at 392whp on a Blouch Dom1.5 setup and a 420whp e85 20G. The practical application in a Subaru setup is the the exhaust doesn't play a key role until you are in the high 400's and 500's. Even then...the design would play a bigger part than a 1/4". I think that xluben's gains were actually more from the straight route back on the GReddy TiC than the diameter change.
I agree that the muffler is likely a bigger restriction than 2.75" piping.

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Custom would be cool but not sure it could look as nice as one of the gazillion exhausts you've already owned haha.

Is there any other sweet ass JDM exhausts we are forgetting? usually they are the quitest and best for a clean/fitting install.
A good custom one should look better, but that's not really something I'm considering.

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Hey hey I know this guy... I like his exhaust and I agree with it being between SPT (louder in certain rpms) and Q300 (just flipping loud lol). Riding in his after my Q300 was like heaven my ears didn't feel like they were going to blow up from the fantastic /s Q300 drone. It has a good sound to it on uel headers. Curious what qual would sound like.

Btw isn't nameless Vband connections?
Yeah, I would definitely hope is has less drone than the Q300.

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This all just takes me back to the old Evo X days where a few guys made more power after changing to something different that their Greddy SP elite that had a smaller diamter pipe. Maybe it's different than our GR's but I'll never forget that information.
Interesting. A small change in tune can make more power too. Sometimes shops could do that just to make customers happy (ie. add 1/2 pound of boost or change AFR's or timing slightly).

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You must be talking about the sedan and not the hatch. The hatch SPT exhaust is LOUD. Part of that has to do with how raspy it was. The GReddy is much quieter. I have owned both.
The Hatch SPT is about as loud as the sedan stock. The Sedan SPT is much louder. The Hatch SPT is the quietest I've had other than the ARK.

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Hmm why do you guys want to polish off the burnt tip? I'm actually looking for a way to give my SPT exhaust the burnt tip once I receive the car. Anyone knows how to do it safely?
It is "burnt" to mimic a titanium exhaust. I don't want to pretend anything.

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i wish there was a clear answer as to how much of a power difference there is between 2.75 and 3"..probably not an issue at most of our power levels but maybe for you.
Likely the muffler is more of a restriction. Hard to say for sure.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:12 PM   #3603
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yeah I think so, that's why I want a single exit 3" system with a big quiet muffler

I had a couple veilside titanium axlebacks...titanium is not very good at muffling..lol oddly enough they had no blue burn marks on them
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:36 PM   #3604
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I wonder if this is discontinued?

http://www.discountrallyparts.com/Pr...de=31008-BF002

HKS legamax's are always super quiet
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:38 PM   #3605
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the prices of these things are absurd
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:40 PM   #3606
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Says a Honda fanboy.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:51 PM   #3607
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lol my RSX greddy SP2 catback was under $600 shipped and most decent quality exhausts were in the 400-700 ballpark although they didn't have to waste money welding 3 extra pointless tips to it.

kpro was pretty pricey though..especially compared to open source/tactrix..lol on the plus side it was easy to sell for almost what you paid for it.

I mean sure you could spend insane amounts of money on spoon, toda or mugen stuff but there are plenty of pricey parts available for our cars too
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:13 AM   #3608
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Yeah, that was my point. rsutton and I just discussed this in another thread. People complain about $1200 Subaru exhausts because they see Honda exhausts for $300-600 all the time. The difference is that the Honda's are mostly just single can's or small mufflers. Most of the extra cost is the fancy quad tip designs. The 02-07 Subaru catbacks are usually $500-700 so they're not too bad. It was also brought up how GTR, BMW, etc all have exhausts that easily cost $4-6k and up. Some of it is quality/complexity/research, and some of it is just the price that the market can handle (more expensive car, more expensive parts).
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:15 AM   #3609
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Single exit can look ftw!!
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:22 AM   #3610
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Hell...the front lip for a M3 is more than most of our exhausts. We are spoiled with pricing in the Subaru community. Maybe not in comparison to the Honda community...but we get a lot more car for that (which I am sure some would debate).

Also...I much prefer the quad tip design in terms of looks. The car looks much more balanced and a lot less rice. Higher end cars are all going to more balanced, symmetrical looks. I like the trend. Big fart cans do not look good in my opinion and especially on our cars when you have to leave an obvious opening on the other side.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:32 AM   #3611
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Hell...the front lip for a M3 is more than most of our exhausts. We are spoiled with pricing in the Subaru community. Maybe not in comparison to the Honda community...but we get a lot more car for that (which I am sure some would debate).

Also...I much prefer the quad tip design in terms of looks. The car looks much more balanced and a lot less rice. Higher end cars are all going to more balanced, symmetrical looks. I like the trend. Big fart cans do not look good in my opinion and especially on our cars when you have to leave an obvious opening on the other side.
I'm sure you can find $1000 lips for most cars if you look hard enough. I think the pricing for Subaru's is OK for the quality/design you get. Most of the stuff is just designed to fit, and not much more. No one goes out of their way to do any legitimate testing.

I also like how the quad tip looks. Especially with the openings in the bumper. However I'm a bit conflicted about having a bunch of extra metal hanging under my car just to make it look cool. If there was a quiet single tip, and an OEM quality bumper to match, I think I'd like that.

I've also been thinking that a single center exit would look pretty interesting on a Subaru. No one would ever make one in mass because you'd need a new bumper or it would look terrible. I think some of the rally cars do it, but it's just a hole cut in the middle of the bumper, lol.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:39 AM   #3612
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we aren't spoiled, GTR and BMW mods are just insanely expensive. take a look at the price of domestic mods. You can probably make an LS1 fbody faster than xluben's car for the price of one of these exhausts. Quad tips are the definition of ricey too. People think its hilarious when someone puts quad tips on a civic...it really makes no more sense on our cars or on an M3. People complain about hellaflush being form over function. Some guy(lawl) brought up how he didn't like people who leave their fog lights on because they think it looks cool...i don't see how that is any different from these quad tipped exhausts. The sideways design is just hurting the flow anyway. fart cans are stupid too, they really don't belong on street cars

I'd like something like this
http://www.rallysportdirect.com/Invi...edan-2008-2010

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Old 11-06-2012, 08:43 AM   #3613
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I don't think you understand that products are designed around the platform that they fit onto.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:46 AM   #3614
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Single cans are amazing!

(Take that Ark off and ship it my way)

Beer would be your choice, I've been enjoying Lagunitas quite a bit recently. And heavy Seas.

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Old 11-06-2012, 08:59 AM   #3615
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I would be SO down for a single, center exit exhaust, with a matching bumper. I really love center exhausts, esp on hatches.
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I don't think you understand that products are designed around the platform that they fit onto.
umm how do you explain your last exhaust then?

and how is a single exit for a 2008-2010 sedan any different than one for a 2011-2012? the 08-10 still had dual exhaust just without quad tips
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:32 AM   #3617
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Single cans are amazing!

(Take that Ark off and ship it my way)

Beer would be your choice, I've been enjoying Lagunitas quite a bit recently. And heavy Seas.

Darn, I just got rid of my single tip

I have never heard of those beers...

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I would be SO down for a single, center exit exhaust, with a matching bumper. I really love center exhausts, esp on hatches.
I think it would be pretty cool, but no one would buy it since it would be several thousand for the exhaust and an OEM quality, paint matched bumper.

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umm how do you explain your last exhaust then?

and how is a single exit for a 2008-2010 sedan any different than one for a 2011-2012? the 08-10 still had dual exhaust just without quad tips
Cans are cans. Per you they are ricey. Per me they are good for flow but bad for noise. They're loud due to the design. A muffler like the one you linked would be great except it won't fit on the hatch. The equivalent is the sideways muffler:

http://www.rallysportdirect.com/Invi...back-2008-2010

The other consideration is that people don't want tips that don't match the car unless they have some other major benefit. A single tip with a big muffler doesn't flow any better than a quad tip with a similar muffler, and therefore the single tip wouldn't sell. The only time a single tip becomes desirable is when it is no holds barred, better flow.

The worst of both worlds is dual tips on a quad tip car. The tips don't fit the cutouts, but it still has all of the downsides of the quad tip style (weight, flow, etc).
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you say that and yet there are loads of single tip options, they are just fart can style. The sedan 08-10 single Q300 leaves an empty hole in the bumper and yet it exists...

I doubt the single tip Q300 flows any worse than a fart cannon its full 3" straight through, I think all the bends cause a bigger issue than how loud the muffler is
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My next exhaust is probably Crawford ( It's ugly though... ) or Invidia Race. ( I hear they can burn your bumpers though ). The Invidia race will look similar to the Greddy Ti-C but be more "throaty"

I like the single tip because it reminds me of the older Imprezas. Quad tips look less obvious though, so they aren't bad.
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you say that and yet there are loads of single tip options, they are just fart can style.
Yes, exactly my point.

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The sedan 08-10 single Q300 leaves an empty hole in the bumper and yet it exists...
Yes, there are likely to be one or two that don't sell well so no one else makes that style.

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I doubt the single tip Q300 flows any worse than a fart cannon its full 3" straight through, I think all the bends cause a bigger issue than how loud the muffler is
Q300's chamber muffler surely flows much worse than a straight through can. Probably enough so that the piping diameter and bends are irreverent in regards to flow.
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My next exhaust is probably Crawford ( It's ugly though... ) or Invidia Race. ( I hear they can burn your bumpers though ). The Invidia race will look similar to the Greddy Ti-C but be more "throaty"

I like the single tip because it reminds me of the older Imprezas. Quad tips look less obvious though, so they aren't bad.
Crawford is a strange look. I think it's a little spendy for what is essentially just a turn down. The Invidia Race doesn't fit well into the quad tip bumper and does usually melt things. If you just want loud, have a turn down (muffler delete) made by an exhaust shop. Probably will be under $100 and flow better than any aftermarket exhaust. On our cars they're not that loud. Many autocross guys run that setup.
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I'll stick with the can :P. My neighbor and cousin want to "**** my car in it's exhaust because it's so sexy".

Not sure if I should feel good or never talk to them again >_>.
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I'll stick with the can :P. My neighbor and cousin want to "**** my car in it's exhaust because it's so sexy".

Not sure if I should feel good or never talk to them again >_>.
This is why I wouldn't want the Invidia N1:

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/...van/INVIDA.jpg

Longer hangers are a must.
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This is why I wouldn't want the Invidia N1:

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/...van/INVIDA.jpg

Longer hangers are a must.
Holy crap... You'd think they'd make it a taaaad bit longer like Greddy. I actually like that Greddy's sticks out a bit. Hangers are annoying. Several drops of WD-40 in my face and swearing "why the **** won't this ****ing hanger move" isn't worth it lol. ( That pretty much sums up me removing the stock exhaust. )
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:23 AM   #3625
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The ARK does look really cool from the back, but I love the flared, double wall tips. I think ARK is using that style tip on their new DT-S exhaust. Too bad they did the rolled tips on the GRiP.
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