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Old 01-28-2013, 08:36 PM   #4601
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Here's a photo of my Anarchy Motive shift knob on my new 6 speed. It's a very heavy knob (close to 1.5lbs). I love it! And the grey color looks amazing.

mmm man that looks good. some kinda badass made those. thats for sure.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:58 PM   #4602
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mmm man that looks good. some kinda badass made those. thats for sure.
I agree

I love mine thanks a bunch and for xluben for having it in his thread
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:31 PM   #4603
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Yeah, thanks besthaticouldo! I love the shift knob! I think it looks amazing on the 6MT shifter setup!
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:17 PM   #4604
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Agreed. Best looking knob that I've seen so far! I would get one if I wasn't getting rid of the car!
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:36 PM   #4605
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Just get and sell it later! It's soooo worth it!

And FYI - Anyone who PM's me about prices or details on the 6 speed swap, I'm not going to answer. I'm working on a very lengthy post that should cover most of what you'd need to know. Until then I'm not going to individually answer people's questions just because they need to know now.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:58 PM   #4606
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Just get and sell it later! It's soooo worth it!
It's a possibility. I've been thinking about dumping all my car parts for camera gear though.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:01 PM   #4607
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awesome car...damn
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:41 PM   #4608
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I have a question for you since you have experience the WRX 5speeds and now the 6speeds. Do you feel any different in the clutch? Like is the 6speeds a little more forgiving than the 5speeds in 1st gear?

The reason I asked is because I just got a chance to drive my friend 07 Civic Si with 6speeds and it was a WORLD easier to drive than my car. I really like how smooth the tranny on the Si was. In my wrx I have to give the car quite a bit of gas in 1st gear for it to get going without jerking.
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I have a question for you since you have experience the WRX 5speeds and now the 6speeds. Do you feel any different in the clutch? Like is the 6speeds a little more forgiving than the 5speeds in 1st gear?

The reason I asked is because I just got a chance to drive my friend 07 Civic Si with 6speeds and it was a WORLD easier to drive than my car. I really like how smooth the tranny on the Si was. In my wrx I have to give the car quite a bit of gas in 1st gear for it to get going without jerking.
SI = 2WD + Honda tranny
WRX = AWD (drivetrain loss) and the meh 5 speed

There is the answer. I have driven the 6 speed and think its loads easier. You also can shift to 2nd pretty much instantly.

"Btw xluben post the details because I want to know NOW! Put your life on hold and get the write up finished!" /sarcasm

I'm curious if the other picture is what I think it is. I have a feeling at the rate your going this will go from DD to project (fun car/track car)
Not like there is anything wrong with that =D
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:36 AM   #4610
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Could be the recaro baby seat and he is tricking everyone. Lol could be a baby xluben on the way!
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:26 AM   #4611
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SI = 2WD + Honda tranny
WRX = AWD (drivetrain loss) and the meh 5 speed

There is the answer. I have driven the 6 speed and think its loads easier. You also can shift to 2nd pretty much instantly.

"Btw xluben post the details because I want to know NOW! Put your life on hold and get the write up finished!" /sarcasm

I'm curious if the other picture is what I think it is. I have a feeling at the rate your going this will go from DD to project (fun car/track car)
Not like there is anything wrong with that =D
I did read about how AWD will take more power to get started and have since forgotten about that point til last night while I'm writing that response. But from what you said the 6 speeds tranny does help in a way. I don't have much problem shifting to 2nd or anything after that. Just still jerk the 1st gear a little bit from stop but after realizing I need to give my car a bit more gas I have gotten a bit smoother with it. My drive to work this morning was much better than the last few days.
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I did read about how AWD will take more power to get started and have since forgotten about that point til last night while I'm writing that response. But from what you said the 6 speeds tranny does help in a way. I don't have much problem shifting to 2nd or anything after that. Just still jerk the 1st gear a little bit from stop but after realizing I need to give my car a bit more gas I have gotten a bit smoother with it. My drive to work this morning was much better than the last few days.
It's all in the footwork man I learned to drive stick on my wrx, and I can now easily start from a stop without having the rpms go above 1000, no jerkiness, just smooth take up. Just takes a while to get used to I guess, especially if you're more accustomed to a different vehicle and different sort of drivetrain. If you rev the engine too much you'll be wearing on the clutch, it's not till you have a much stronger clutch that you may need to rev higher to get goin
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^ I agree with this 100% also you may want to try just tapping the gas once or twice (just enough to get the rpms over 1000) and slowly take your foot off the clutch it will help you learn the engagement point and might help you pick up on the drivetrain faster
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:59 AM   #4614
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It's all in the footwork man I learned to drive stick on my wrx, and I can now easily start from a stop without having the rpms go above 1000, no jerkiness, just smooth take up. Just takes a while to get used to I guess, especially if you're more accustomed to a different vehicle and different sort of drivetrain. If you rev the engine too much you'll be wearing on the clutch, it's not till you have a much stronger clutch that you may need to rev higher to get goin
I do give it more gas but not excessive. Usually just around 1.8k-2.2k rpm to get started and smoothly let the clutch out. This is my first manual car so I'm pretty new at this. Still getting used to the smooth motion with my left leg but I thin I'm getting there. But I was surprised how much easier it was for me on the Si.

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^ I agree with this 100% also you may want to try just tapping the gas once or twice (just enough to get the rpms over 1000) and slowly take your foot off the clutch it will help you learn the engagement point and might help you pick up on the drivetrain faster
I pretty much know where and when my car engages. But it seems it jerk the car a bit to get going if I don't give it a bit more gas even if I was to let the clutch out slow and smooth enough. What I've been doing is let my clutch out slowly to the catch point than slowly tap the gas to keep it around 1.5k rpm or 2k rpm and smoothly let the clutch out once the car start moving. That just seems normal practice for me.
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I do give it more gas but not excessive. Usually just around 1.8k-2.2k rpm to get started and smoothly let the clutch out. This is my first manual car so I'm pretty new at this. Still getting used to the smooth motion with my left leg but I thin I'm getting there. But I was surprised how much easier it was for me on the Si.

I pretty much know where and when my car engages. But it seems it jerk the car a bit to get going if I don't give it a bit more gas even if I was to let the clutch out slow and smooth enough. What I've been doing is let my clutch out slowly to the catch point than slowly tap the gas to keep it around 1.5k rpm or 2k rpm and smoothly let the clutch out once the car start moving. That just seems normal practice for me.
Yeah you'll get used to it with time. In all honesty, 18-2200 is far too much, def wearing on the stock clutch broski. When you are starting off, on the stock clutch anyways, you should be slowly releasing the clutch before you touch the gas pedal at all, and as you bring the clutch slowly out you will feel where he engagement point is, where the clutch begins to grab and this is where you should slowly roll on the throttle as you continue to release the clutch. This is how I've done it and like i said i have no issues starting going quickly and smoothely without going over 1k rpms. Over time you'll get quick at it and it'll feel second nature
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:45 AM   #4616
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I have a question for you since you have experience the WRX 5speeds and now the 6speeds. Do you feel any different in the clutch? Like is the 6speeds a little more forgiving than the 5speeds in 1st gear?

The reason I asked is because I just got a chance to drive my friend 07 Civic Si with 6speeds and it was a WORLD easier to drive than my car. I really like how smooth the tranny on the Si was. In my wrx I have to give the car quite a bit of gas in 1st gear for it to get going without jerking.
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There is the answer. I have driven the 6 speed and think its loads easier. You also can shift to 2nd pretty much instantly.

"Btw xluben post the details because I want to know NOW! Put your life on hold and get the write up finished!" /sarcasm

I'm curious if the other picture is what I think it is. I have a feeling at the rate your going this will go from DD to project (fun car/track car)
Not like there is anything wrong with that =D
I never really got that whole 2WD vs AWD difference. I know there are more drivetrain losses, but I don't think AWD necessarily makes a car harder to drive. It's not like the 2WD car is spinning the tires off the line during a normal start. It really should be the same procedure.

IMO, the real difference is just the different tranny/clutch designs. Honda tranny's are always so smooth and tight. They're generally very nice to drive. Subaru's are OK, but pretty sloppy. I think you're just feeling a good tranny vs. a mediocre one. Another thing to consider is that the Si is a much lighter car the than a WRX.

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I did read about how AWD will take more power to get started and have since forgotten about that point til last night while I'm writing that response. But from what you said the 6 speeds tranny does help in a way. I don't have much problem shifting to 2nd or anything after that. Just still jerk the 1st gear a little bit from stop but after realizing I need to give my car a bit more gas I have gotten a bit smoother with it. My drive to work this morning was much better than the last few days.
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It's all in the footwork man I learned to drive stick on my wrx, and I can now easily start from a stop without having the rpms go above 1000, no jerkiness, just smooth take up. Just takes a while to get used to I guess, especially if you're more accustomed to a different vehicle and different sort of drivetrain. If you rev the engine too much you'll be wearing on the clutch, it's not till you have a much stronger clutch that you may need to rev higher to get goin
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^ I agree with this 100% also you may want to try just tapping the gas once or twice (just enough to get the rpms over 1000) and slowly take your foot off the clutch it will help you learn the engagement point and might help you pick up on the drivetrain faster
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I do give it more gas but not excessive. Usually just around 1.8k-2.2k rpm to get started and smoothly let the clutch out. This is my first manual car so I'm pretty new at this. Still getting used to the smooth motion with my left leg but I thin I'm getting there. But I was surprised how much easier it was for me on the Si.

I pretty much know where and when my car engages. But it seems it jerk the car a bit to get going if I don't give it a bit more gas even if I was to let the clutch out slow and smooth enough. What I've been doing is let my clutch out slowly to the catch point than slowly tap the gas to keep it around 1.5k rpm or 2k rpm and smoothly let the clutch out once the car start moving. That just seems normal practice for me.
I would try to start off with the least amount of rev's as possible. It will be the most difficult to do but it will be the best for your clutch. Revving it up higher, like 2k, will be a lot easier to do, but it will put wear on the clutch. If you only rev to just above idle you'll barely be slipping it at all. It's a lot trickier to get right though. Can be easy to stall.

I have had the following clutch setups (changes in bold):
5MT, stock pressure plate, stock disk, stock flywheel, stock clutch delay valve
5MT, stock pressure plate, ACT full face disk, stock flywheel, stock CDV
5MT, ACT HD pressure plate, ACT full face disk, stock flywheel, stock CDV
5MT, ACT HD pressure plate, ACT 4 puck sprung disk, ACT Streetlite flywheel, stock CDV
5MT, ACT HD pressure plate, ACT 4 puck sprung disk, ACT Streetlite flywheel, removed CDV
6MT, ACT XT pressure plate, ACT 6 puck unsprung disk, stock flywheel, removed CDV

All of the ones with a stock or full face disk were pretty easy to drive. I generally revved them to 1.5k-2k and slipped them and all was well. The puck clutches are much harder to drive. The 4 puck sprung setup chattered. A lot. If I revved it to 1.5k-2k it chattered a TON. I had to only rev it to the 1k range and slip it quick to get a reasonable start.

With the 6 speed I was advised to try the unsprung disk. I was reluctant to do this, but the lighter weight should help reduce synchro wear. Upon trying it for the first time the XT pressure plate is much heavier than the HD and the unsprung disk bites instantly. There really isn't chatter but you do have to keep the rev's very low or it'll buck like a wild bronco! And if you keep it too low it's very easy to stall.

Well, maybe that doesn't help you at all, but that's what I've seen. I can't really compare stock for stock 5MT vs 6MT because I don't have experience with that. I do agree that blipping the throttle instead of trying to hold constant rev's is sometimes better.
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What you guys suggesting is basically what I've been doing. But I guess after the catch I do give a bit more rpm. I might need to go to a parking lot and see about starting off at a slower rpm.
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What you guys suggesting is basically what I've been doing. But I guess after the catch I do give a bit more rpm. I might need to go to a parking lot and see about starting off at a slower rpm.
If you are going right to a higher rpm of course it is going to jerk the car has a pretty decent amount of torque from factory that would pretty much explain it
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What you guys suggesting is basically what I've been doing. But I guess after the catch I do give a bit more rpm. I might need to go to a parking lot and see about starting off at a slower rpm.
Yep, just a takes a little while to get used to. The stock clutch really shouldn't be jerky at all. It's likely a combo of too high of RPM and too quick of a release. Change either one, or both, and it should be smoother.
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If you are going right to a higher rpm of course it is going to jerk the car has a pretty decent amount of torque from factory that would pretty much explain it
I didn't mean high as in going WOT or 3k-4k rpm on first gear lol. Just like around 1.8-2.2k rpm as I said. That way it'll make the car smooth for me not jerky.

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Yep, just a takes a little while to get used to. The stock clutch really shouldn't be jerky at all. It's likely a combo of too high of RPM and too quick of a release. Change either one, or both, and it should be smoother.
It's probably my clutch realse not being smooth enough. But after driving the Si I'm having a better feel of mine now for some reason haha. May be i should have started out with an easier manual car is all. Being this my first manual car and all.
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I didn't mean high as in going WOT or 3k-4k rpm on first gear lol. Just like around 1.8-2.2k rpm as I said. That way it'll make the car smooth for me not jerky.

It's the fact that you have to be just as smooth going on the gas as letting off the clutch if you don't want it to jerk even if you are still only going up to 1800 or 2k. Like you said its your feat stick car I have driven many manual vehicles from different manufacturers trust me try that technique I mentioned blipping the throttle instead of holding it and when the clutch catches increase throttle with the same smoothness as letting the clutch out and you will have smooth ride after that
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